Hope no one is using Ghost.

[daniels27]

are they better than Skype, why isn't skype popoular any longer ?

I never used ghost.

Skype no longer encrypts calls and governments have access now.

 

[cckuhqilfownnfctux]

are they better than Skype, why isn't skype popoular any longer ?

does not conform with the 2nd and 3rd requirements:

- have open source code

- allow to self-host (install your own server)

 

[0xDEADBEEF]

Skype was also replaced by Teams, which I wouldn't even recommend for regular communication. It feels like Microsoft is playing a joke on us at this point.

 

[DarkRevoMan]

never heard of any of them.

Would be nice to get some input from @mraleph and others with tech background.

Check this site out, offers a feature comparison of many encrypted messaging apps, ranging from civilian apps such as snapchat, facebook, and discord, all the way to Signal, SimpleX, Briar, etc.

https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html

 

[myshufflemix]

Continue to put the squeeze on : Chainalysis: Russia Is Loudest and 'Most Pervasive' Country Using Crypto to Skirt Sanctions - Decrypt

that's what you get if you try to make war not love

 

[dany]

Skype was also replaced by Teams, which I wouldn't even recommend for regular communication. It feels like Microsoft is playing a joke on us at this point.

have used it to speak with tax authorities, so I feel it is secure

 

[daniels27]

have used it to speak with tax authorities, so I feel it is secure

Maybe you also used NetMeeting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_NetMeeting
Microsoft never had any product that was technically good. It is like Aldi. They have cheap stuff that has wide acceptance. And most of the time it is quite poor implementation.

 

[dany]

I never go to Aldi, was once there not again

 

[jafo]

have used it to speak with tax authorities, so I feel it is secure

That's the Capo di Tutti Capi so here you are 100% protected!

 

[mraleph]

When asking about which communication and collaboration platform to use, a use case and threat model are defining factors.

Rocket.chat for the broad audience, Matrix for some, XMPP/Jabber for command line lovers, Tox for criminals, Briar for schizos

We should not advise any particular end user profile - especially the ones with criminal behavior - to use any communication platform that may facilitate their illicit business Seriously, there are bad guys reading these forums and I really pay attention what and how I write anything - no need for aiding and abetting indictment.

Of the humor, ToX and Briar are beside being decentralized solutions - hence, there may be (are) performance penalties - simply another jar with honey. Also, TOR may be implied with those solutions, so I would keep any content above private from them.

XMPP is a stable protocol. As an overlay, can utilize encrypted content - OTR, OMEMO, openPGP & S/MIME and other closed cryptographic solutions. By architecture is centralized - which is decent - but can be federated - which is optimal and clustered - which is perfect.

Rocket.chat is a not mature and is an quasi-integrated derivative.

Never use something that is created just for the purpose of defeating the surveillance.

Matrix is a British blue pill Do not use it

Sometimes, a properly implemented TLS - as a transit encryption - offers more confidentiality then any content encryption designed by youngsters can

I've read controversial opinions about Simplex, also it is not mature yet and could contain various bugs and vulnerabilities.
so I haven't tried it myself yet, but possibly will in the future.

We tested plethora of competitors' applications, including Simplex. They all failed, even SecuSmart and Silent Circle products and some from

https://www.ia.nato.int/niapc/Category/Mobile-Communications_51

never heard of any of them.

Would be nice to get some input from @mraleph and others with tech background.

I already wrote about Simplex in

Post in thread 'Pavel Durov Arrested France'

Aug 29, 2024

I don't want to go too far off-topic, but your quote about free doesn't apply to this type of application. I'm just suggesting an actual secure E2E app. In terms of features, it's garbage compared to Telegram, but if security is what you want, its best of the bunch.

Well, this thread is interesting and nothing we discussed is by even the most relaxed definiton off-topic.

Majority of secure communication applications for any platform is either not secure because of the design errors or is intentionaly honeypot. Sometimes they have secondary benefit, beside being COMINT...

• mraleph

• 

and generally about secure communication in

Post in thread 'Pavel Durov Arrested France'

Aug 30, 2024

This may be off-topic.

So, no specifics, then. I am all for hearing criticism of SimpleX because, as it stands, in my opinion, it's the best solution if you want an E2E messaging app with no real identifiable info. Open source, audited. I'd like to know why I might be wrong on that...

I respect your opinion despite that you have a wrong one. Time will prove that to you. And, I wish you without detrimental consequences.

Auditing and standards' certification doesn't mean anything It's as accounting - can be quite creative

But I've read similar versions of...

• mraleph

• 

I will always share publicly what I can - as I believe in certain transparency posture. But, I will not publicly comment specifics nor go against competition.

Without secure environment, no application and cryptographic system can protect the content.

 

[jafo]

case and threat model are defining factors

100% this! Totally agree!

no need for aiding and abetting indictment.

Also, 100% this! When the bad guys sing, some will even compose.

 

[myshufflemix]

We should not advise any particular end user profile - especially the ones with criminal behavior - to use any communication platform that may facilitate their illicit business Seriously, there are bad guys reading these forums and I really pay attention what and how I write anything - no need for aiding and abetting indictment.

don't you think they already know the methods ?

 

[mraleph]

don't you think they already know the methods ?

I'm not sure, considering the amount of gray matter on both sides Don't you know what sarcasm is On a serious note, LE interpret even the naive text for the purpose of prosecution as a proof per se.

The context of this forum is relevant. There are roamers at OCT provoking non-appropriate content. Even the joke can lead to legal consequences.

 

[OKboomer]

Rocket.chat for the broad audience, Matrix for some, XMPP/Jabber for command line lovers, Tox for criminals, Briar for schizos

Briar constantly suffers from reliability though

 

[jafo]

don't you think they already know the methods ?

• No!
• They go to the dark web for the necessary information as they can ask without moderation.
• They are NOT trying to do REAL business legally like us. They are NOT trying to provide value to the system. They are into scams and fraud.
• CIs are here (but not so many) "if" they could get compensation, but that is a BIG "if"

 

[GPT]

are they better than Skype, why isn't skype popoular any longer ?

I never used ghost.

Skype became a shitshow the moment Microsoft took over. They changed some of the drivers which led to a shitty sound quality.

Around those days they lost a ton of users. In niche industries (telecom) its still the to go to solution.

 

[dany]

The context of this forum is relevant. There are roamers at OCT provoking non-appropriate content. Even the joke can lead to legal consequences.

Yeah have seen much of this around the last few months.

 

[aniglo22]

its an obviously fake messenger created by the police, same as "Anom" and friends.

Here's a nice talk about Anom :