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Yeah when I saw that I started laughing at Poland. EU aint playing with 1m euro a day fine until you come back into compliance 
. What an opening gambit by EU....ouch.
Poland taking on EU is like a naked 4ft man trying to take on a silverback gorilla in 2 foot wide cage. Now the whole dispute will turn into one where each side will be trying to save face. People don't get the EU, its a mafia gang i.e blood in blood out so never forget that.
. What an opening gambit by EU....ouch.Poland taking on EU is like a naked 4ft man trying to take on a silverback gorilla in 2 foot wide cage. Now the whole dispute will turn into one where each side will be trying to save face. People don't get the EU, its a mafia gang i.e blood in blood out so never forget that.
Nobody cares about fines or anything else.
The split of the EU is already done deal.It's now just theatre to sell it to the public.
Poland president already started two years ago to create its own union called "3 sea union" which is the exect strategy STRATFOR announced 2015 for europe.
Now east europe need to sell it to their public as something good to gain back sovereignity,no lgbt,no refugees , own union based on old culture etc .
It's so obvious how they in east europe already make the EU look so bad to justify the split.
Even Austria which is a member of the 3 sea union started being critical against germany.
What a coincidence (which in politic reality doesn't exist)
The split of the EU is already done deal.It's now just theatre to sell it to the public.
Poland president already started two years ago to create its own union called "3 sea union" which is the exect strategy STRATFOR announced 2015 for europe.
Now east europe need to sell it to their public as something good to gain back sovereignity,no lgbt,no refugees , own union based on old culture etc .
It's so obvious how they in east europe already make the EU look so bad to justify the split.
Even Austria which is a member of the 3 sea union started being critical against germany.
What a coincidence (which in politic reality doesn't exist)
I think Poland underestimate the power and influence the LGBTQXYZPQBTWTEUE+ community has. Also if Poland wants EU Covid support recovery money it cannot bite the hand that feeds it...lol. Poland government as an anti EU and anti Russia establishment does not sound like having a promising future 
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Anyway nothing is gonna happen as Poland and EU will be friends again.
.Anyway nothing is gonna happen as Poland and EU will be friends again.
EU is irrelevant.I think Poland underestimate the power and influence the LGBTQXYZPQBTWTEUE+ community has. Also if Poland wants EU Covid support recovery money it cannot bite the hand that feeds it...lol. Poland government as an anti EU and anti Russia establishment does not sound like having a promising future
Anyway nothing is gonna happen as Poland and EU will be friends again.
Its industry and key people are already moving out.
EU will be a deep communist region with industry 4.0 ,virtual money ,citizen score (covid pass) , basic income and most important a broke region with poor citizens.
I’d tend to agree on this, there is waaaayyy too much money on the table, but both EUSSR and Polish government went too far and I’d say can’t see how both can become friends again (no colored revolution allowed, pols are currently the best friends of US, so don’t see a possible golpe like in Ukraine, too risky for ‘mericans, unless lgtbwhatever agenda is so strong they’ll take such risk).I think Poland underestimate the power and influence the LGBTQXYZPQBTWTEUE+ community has. Also if Poland wants EU Covid support recovery money it cannot bite the hand that feeds it...lol. Poland government as an anti EU and anti Russia establishment does not sound like having a promising future
Anyway nothing is gonna happen as Poland and EU will be friends again.
Lithuana now also builds a 4m wall to belarus.
Officaly of course because they are afraid of 4000 immigrants where EU took already millions and it was never an issue them moving via poland or lithuana because noone wants to stay in these countries.
Germany build a 2.5m fence to the border to poland.Officaly to stop wild pigs moving from poland to germany.Question to smart people is why do they need solid 2.5m fences or are pigs able to jump that high ?
If people still don't see the clear signs that they are preparing to close the blocks i think they might train their logical thinking.
Lithuana will close their 4m fence till june 2022.
Poland now also implemented a law to build a 4m permanent fence and to increase (hire) new border patrol (of course because of the 4000 immigrants LOL)
Currently there are 12000 border protral guards and 4000 immigrants on the border.
Officaly of course because they are afraid of 4000 immigrants where EU took already millions and it was never an issue them moving via poland or lithuana because noone wants to stay in these countries.
Germany build a 2.5m fence to the border to poland.Officaly to stop wild pigs moving from poland to germany.Question to smart people is why do they need solid 2.5m fences or are pigs able to jump that high ?
If people still don't see the clear signs that they are preparing to close the blocks i think they might train their logical thinking.
Lithuana will close their 4m fence till june 2022.
Poland now also implemented a law to build a 4m permanent fence and to increase (hire) new border patrol (of course because of the 4000 immigrants LOL)
Currently there are 12000 border protral guards and 4000 immigrants on the border.
My friend's dad is a high profile EU official. He's part of the group that decided what kind of fine should be imposed upon Poland.
I obviously don't want to dox him so I won't provide any other details, but I will say one thing: you are 100% correct. They view us as peasants, peons, and they think they are our masters.
They all serve the big corporations but they will never admit that. I like to compare them to shepherds... they do, after all, guard herds of sheep
The best sentence I have read about the EU for a long time.
The amount of nonsense mentioned here about the EU is mind-blowing and doesn't contribute to the reliability if the same people will talk about other topics.
Inevitably it dilutes the quality of 'knowledge' shared.
So I can only shake my head in wonder.
Inevitably it dilutes the quality of 'knowledge' shared.
So I can only shake my head in wonder.
It's worse. Peasents & peons have their dignity. Varoufakis said on multiple occasions how, during negotiations, troika was always addressed as "elders". They think of us as kids.
Feel to point out the nonsense, so we can decide for ourselves...
Ursula Von Der Leyen is that you?
. Maybe try and be a bit more constructive in your criticism and specify what exactly it is you disagreed with 
I want to refresh this thread; it's 3 years old, and as far as I can see, the EU is stronger than ever before and is implementing more and more surveillance and more and more taxes than ever before.
If this is the end of the EU, then I would like to see what it looks like if it were really to end??
If this is the end of the EU, then I would like to see what it looks like if it were really to end??
I don't know how you think so ?Western propaganda ?
In east europe people are tired of EU dictartorship and you can see that the narrative to leave EU is already being created for a longer time.Also right wings moving now into EU parlament which are against EU.
Poland expanding their 3 sea initiative which order they received from US.
In germany right wing is also heavily on the upraise into EU parlament and they are also anti current EU.
You watch the money stream and their subventions and you will know some key dates.
From this year poland is receiving the biggest budget from the EU in history for inovations which goes till 2027.
After that no more money.
So the breakdown will happen somewhere after 2027 if i have to predict.
There are many key points all pointing to 2027
First line counteracted by the second.
More-Surveillance = loosing control, crushing push backs and surveilling citizens more closely.
The end result, is Germany collapsing or breaking with Europe due to it's industrial need for power, as it stands the industrial plant is moving, and the people will find themselves having to emigrate across the EU for work, or resentment, at the same time the CB of Germany is bankrupt, and the pensions promised can't be honoured, likewise savings are dis-mall, and assets are worse.
Probably a couple of years before 2030... (28) around the time of the next debt-refi cycle, when people ask if the EURO being refinanced (debt) underwritten on the European economies supports the value of the Euro.
Similar for the US around 2032-35.
*If not before.
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