It should be trivial for @Kranders to provide sources, so that the statements go from just defamatory to fact-based.
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Is Bankera or Pervesk safe ?
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Let me drop you couple more facts
Who owns Bankera now? Who are Bankera's shareholders?
Bankera announced that the ICO was distributed by Era finance Ltd - although Vytautas Karalevičius ( one of co-founders of Bankera) refused to officially say who are the owners of the Virgin Islands-registered company Finalify Ltd, which carried out Bankera's ICO, today it is already an open secret:
https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/nodes/240371556.
Shortly after the release of the ICO, the Bank of Lithuania conducted an inspection of UAB Pervesk and found significant violations related to the prevention of money laundering:
"Lietuvos bankas fined Vytautas Karalevičius, one of the founders of the cryptocurrency exchange Spectro Coin and the cryptocurrency bank Bankera, and his company": https://www.vz.lt/rinkos/2018/09/21/mokejimu-istaigai-ir-jos-vadovui--12-mln-eur-baudu
During the ICO, Bankera stated its ambition to obtain a banking license in the European Union by the end of 2019. V. Karalevičius indicated that it has not yet been possible to do so, but it is consistently being pursued. However, he admitted that it will not be possible to obtain a license in the EU by the end of 2019, as planned. It is also promised that Bankera intends to obtain licenses in the United Kingdom, Japan, and Singapore in the long run. V. Karalevičius said that in some of these jurisdictions the project is moving even faster than in Lithuania. Meanwhile, the media reported that, according to unofficial data, Bankera was interested in the possibility of obtaining a license from the Bank of Lithuania, but it was not approved, because during the ICO, Bankera did not collect detailed data about the identity of investors.
More than 4 years have passed since then and there is no news about Bankera's progress in building the bank.
Just take a look
4 years not even a single update where they put investors money…
i agree , but dear, you are more trying to get me into the non-trivial discussion regardless the topic raised. So please enjoy the information provided instead of trying to shut it down.
Let me drop you couple more facts
Who owns Bankera now? Who are Bankera's shareholders?
Bankera announced that the ICO was distributed by Era finance Ltd - although Vytautas Karalevičius ( one of co-founders of Bankera) refused to officially say who are the owners of the Virgin Islands-registered company Finalify Ltd, which carried out Bankera's ICO, today it is already an open secret:
https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/nodes/240371556.
Shortly after the release of the ICO, the Bank of Lithuania conducted an inspection of UAB Pervesk and found significant violations related to the prevention of money laundering:
"Lietuvos bankas fined Vytautas Karalevičius, one of the founders of the cryptocurrency exchange Spectro Coin and the cryptocurrency bank Bankera, and his company": https://www.vz.lt/rinkos/2018/09/21/mokejimu-istaigai-ir-jos-vadovui--12-mln-eur-baudu
During the ICO, Bankera stated its ambition to obtain a banking license in the European Union by the end of 2019. V. Karalevičius indicated that it has not yet been possible to do so, but it is consistently being pursued. However, he admitted that it will not be possible to obtain a license in the EU by the end of 2019, as planned. It is also promised that Bankera intends to obtain licenses in the United Kingdom, Japan, and Singapore in the long run. V. Karalevičius said that in some of these jurisdictions the project is moving even faster than in Lithuania. Meanwhile, the media reported that, according to unofficial data, Bankera was interested in the possibility of obtaining a license from the Bank of Lithuania, but it was not approved, because during the ICO, Bankera did not collect detailed data about the identity of investors.
More than 4 years have passed since then and there is no news about Bankera's progress in building the bank.
Just take a look
4 years not even a single update where they put investors money…
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As I understand you are employee/representative of Swissmoney. Bankera direct competitor - another Lithuanian EMI.
You say they don't have license. But Bankera has license - an EMI license in Lithuania.
I would be very critical and careful reading biased information from competing projects.
I use more than 10 services based in Lithuania including local banks and i do not work for any of them..and when somebody asks me to provide evidences - i do so, if i fall under any restrictions let the moderators decide. But i can assure you i post on what is under radar of my experience. Thats a fact.
You are a new user and all posts are in Swissmoney topic. I don't think this is the right way to do marketing. Obviously everybody see it. Also you confirm you are Lithuanian - so it's more than obvious you work at Swissmoney
I don't see any point continue this discussion. You say they don't have license, but they have EMI license, obvious misinformation.
I will answer to you one last time, even i dont have to
I never told they dont have a licence.
and if you cannot read my post correctly get yourself a pair of eyeglasses.
In my previous post I have told that from the promises, they made on BANKERA ICO, at the time when they have raised money to obtain banking license in EU they have never delivered. And last 4 years they even do not talk about that. What leads to they never had , have, and probably will never have banking license. More as an argument - bankera name - itself leads to the banking institution.
Just for your information bank and EMI are completely different animals. You cannot compare them at any level.
To add here :
I would be extremely carefully to keep my money at financial institution with the background of having obligation to 100 thousand people to return their ICO collected funds. Because at any time they could be sued for that.
Imagine your personal funds would be used for the questionable ICO returns.
https://www.delfi.lt/verslas/versla...tuviai-ketina-sukurti-naujus-pinigus-81184387
recap: Vytautas Karalevičius' project "Bankera" is full of contradictions. More than 100,000 people participated in the initial offering of the cryptocurrency. individuals, but they didn't even know who owned the Virgin Islands-registered company "Finalify Ltd" that carried it out.
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all of my clients are absolutely happy with the services they provide.
nothing else to say. you wrote a lot of nonsense based on air and speculations.
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i am just sharing facts.
No need to get agitated
Also gediminas - about your clients being “happy“ as you say - happiness is usually not the best word to describe feelings related to financial services ))
my advise to all members reading this topic:
1. Do your own research before you start using service
2. Dont listen to promoters and affiliates such as gediminas, because you will never get adequate opinion. They just simply earn money on you.
3. Never trust to EMI’s doesnt matter which name more than 1 month planned volume on iban
4. Never deal with ICO RELATED banking / financial institutions
5. Always priority to EU based financial inatitutions.
I do think token holders got rekt like with most other projects of that era. This of course does NOT excuse anyone.
I have a few accounts at P and B (P got rolled into B now) for some years now and they have been useful in certain situations, even for mid 6 figure transfers to other persons (legal and natural).
Do they have a questionable token bootstrap rugpull history? Yes.
Does the service work for some? Also yes.
I have a few accounts at P and B (P got rolled into B now) for some years now and they have been useful in certain situations, even for mid 6 figure transfers to other persons (legal and natural).
Do they have a questionable token bootstrap rugpull history? Yes.
Does the service work for some? Also yes.
The amount of reports several of you are submitting is disappointing. Why are you so afraid of public discussion and disagreement? Why are you so keen on silencing people who have different opinions?
If you're not capable of having discussion, maybe a discussion forum isn't the right place for you? Maybe a Facebook echo chamber would be better?
If I wanted to "shut it down", I would have just used the Delete button. Kind of how like how you just reported a bunch of posts in this thread (that do not violate any forum rules) in hopes of silencing those who disagree with you.
If you're not capable of having discussion, maybe a discussion forum isn't the right place for you? Maybe a Facebook echo chamber would be better?
You're barking up the wrong tree. I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm quite familiar with the history of Pervesk/Bankera. I'm just asking that you provide sources to back up your accusations. The burden of proof is on you.
If I wanted to "shut it down", I would have just used the Delete button. Kind of how like how you just reported a bunch of posts in this thread (that do not violate any forum rules) in hopes of silencing those who disagree with you.
Thank you very much, There are far too many negative comments about Bankera online. There are more than 90% negative and here in the forum over 99% are also dissatisfied. So the truth is somewhere in the middle, but since I already have negative experiences, I'm just happy that my balance is 0 EUR at Bankera. I will no longer use this EMI. Things don't work normally. Thank you
I really can't believe that. Why does everyone here have or have had problems with Bankera and your customers don't?
Sorry, @Kranders, reporting my post (three times) isn't going to make any difference. You're not going to be able to silence others by frivolously reporting posts that don't violate the forum rules. This is a discussion forum. You're fumbling an opportunity here to provide the evidentiary context necessary for your claims. All we ask is that you back up the following statements:
If you are well informed on the matter, this should be easy to prove.
No financial institution is good for everyone. Working with (high quality) agents and introducers is a way for financial institutions to not even begin onboarding clients that aren't going to work out.
I've been critical of Bankera and Pervesk on several occasions, but I can't deny that they have happy customers. They also have (had) unhappy customers, some of which I've helped migrate somewhere else.
If you are well informed on the matter, this should be easy to prove.
One thing that @Gediminas might be able to do that increases the happiness of his clients is that if he identifies that a customer wouldn't be a good fit for Bankera, he doesn't even try to open an account with Bankera for them. That's something a good agent/introducer can help out with, to everyone's benefit.
No financial institution is good for everyone. Working with (high quality) agents and introducers is a way for financial institutions to not even begin onboarding clients that aren't going to work out.
I've been critical of Bankera and Pervesk on several occasions, but I can't deny that they have happy customers. They also have (had) unhappy customers, some of which I've helped migrate somewhere else.
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In your posts there is nothing evidentiary.
You are trashing the thread, and if someone is posting non related thing to discussion, due to respect to other readers, it must be moderated.
Imagine, just to get to the fact information about Bankera i have to go through all that existential stuff you post. Its obvious.
It's often a good idea to ask someone or look up words before you use them, if you're unsure what they mean or how to use them.
Your second post ever on this forum was an unprompted positive review of an EMI called Swissmoney (link). Posts like that look suspicious. We see them a lot and many end up being covert advertising. A reasonable person, who has experienced such covert advertising before, would suspect you are affiliated with Swissmoney somehow.
Yesterday, you posted eviscerating statements about Bankera and Pervesk, which are competitors of Swissmoney.
Are you able to comprehend how those two factors taken together can look a little strange?
Several members reported your post and wanted us to delete it. Every single one was rejected. For the benefit of a healthy and free discussion (where we don't silence people), I instead asked that you simply provide a couple of sources as evidence to back up your claims.
So when I say that you're barking up the wrong tree, I mean it. I'm just trying to offer you a fair chance to increase the credibility of your statements.
@Sols pointless to go into discussion with you. Just as to comment your replies here. You are moderator at least what you should see and differentiate:
1. SWISSMONEY and BANKERA HAS nothing in common )) why you try to compare two different products. Swissmoney is Swiss company and the only thing they actually have associated with Lithuania is EMI which issues IBANS, however cards, crypto are different providers. Bankera is Lithuanian company which even has nothing to do with Swiss and nothing to do with crypto. I know because i tested them. They provide cards and ibans.
your responds and comments are not adequate in relation to BANKERA. Which is questionable. First for any statement you ask to provide sources, after you fight just to proove i am not legit to comment bankera )) i am more than obvious other members will be able to choose whom they want to listen to.
in the end get a life man, relax and enjoy your account at bankera ))
1. SWISSMONEY and BANKERA HAS nothing in common )) why you try to compare two different products. Swissmoney is Swiss company and the only thing they actually have associated with Lithuania is EMI which issues IBANS, however cards, crypto are different providers. Bankera is Lithuanian company which even has nothing to do with Swiss and nothing to do with crypto. I know because i tested them. They provide cards and ibans.
your responds and comments are not adequate in relation to BANKERA. Which is questionable. First for any statement you ask to provide sources, after you fight just to proove i am not legit to comment bankera )) i am more than obvious other members will be able to choose whom they want to listen to.
in the end get a life man, relax and enjoy your account at bankera ))
What I can conclude from this is that you cannot provide sources for your statements, which is strange. All the energy you have spent on misunderstanding my reasonable, earnest requests could have been spent on just posting a couple of articles and other relevant sources/links.
I don't have an account at Bankera.
I wonder if there is a language barrier issue here. You seem to have become very upset at my posts, when they have in fact been largely supportive of you.
because his (reported) customers are among the few who managed to open an account and use it without problems. Don’t forget that he is an introducer to Bankera, so he earns commissions on these customers.
In the nameBankera sucks, it’s a fact. It was discussed at lengths in the past in the forum.
I opened an account with Swissmoney, which was free and quick. This alone makes it better than Bankera, which is in the business of stealing account opening fees only to reject applicants.
I am now waiting for the documents to increase account limits to be reviewed.
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