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Efficient markets/jurisdictions to put 20-30m in real estate for passive income?
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At the moment looking at BTC why not? Its in an uptrend which should last a good part of this year.One half Gold ( money printing wont stop)and one half BTC( keeping fiat is pointless,keeping real estate burdensome).And lets forget about wasting endless hours of pointless management of real estate where it is more active work than any type of passive income generated,then taxes and what not.He can keep just two analysts if he likes and to keep track of Gold and BTC charts and even that is not required.BTC is outside any government intervention so price swings in it are purely based on demand and supply and not some government bulls**t.He might be sleeping much better than if he had to worry about the tenant not paying his rent on time where his advance taxes have already been paid,evictions ,court notices to non paying tenants,dealing with property management services,upkeep and maintenance of property etc blah blah blah.At the end of the day does real estate even give a real return or its just all notional i wonder.The only real estate required is the house that you live in i would say and not much more.
Put your money in a non crs bank account,take a residency that doesnt tax you on capital gains including crypto,read the charts put your money in these two .Take rest and enjoy life .Step out when everybody is talking about these two asset classes for their great money making ability ( when the shoe shine boy gives you tips on the market it is the time to get out ) and remain out for a while.
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Thanks @providenceventurer I can fully support this. I would stay away from real estate too, unless you have staff to manage it.
Agreed for growth with BTC, not for Gold as it has not performed better long term compared to S&P 500.Lets not get into this historically thing,one crash like 1929,1987,2007,2020 will take away between 10 to 30 years of gains.The only real inflation proof asset is either Gold and until Quantum Computing comes BTC which is liquid Gold.If you want to buy and forget then it should be Gold and if you want to remember it once in a while then BTC( Ask Johnny Doe about it- these days I am not allowed to enquire or even guess where he is)
But if you want true passive income you need sustainable yield, not trying to time the market selling your assets (sequence of returns risk).
An option could be investing in a Bitcoin Covered Call ETF like BTCI that pays a juicy monthly dividend. Deduct 10% to 30% US WHT depending on your personal tax residence.
And managing such a big real estate portfolio has less work than looking at BTC and Gold charts?
You wantbto basiclly go to sleep after putting in the money wothout much legwork that is called passive income.
Gold is suggested because of money printing it will go up in the long run on a 400 year old gold chart we see it keeps pace with inflation,we dont need to correlate it with the s and p500 because half portfolio in Gold is suggested so that it tones down the volatility in BTC- you really are not going to look at your gold portfolio till world war 4 ( world war -3 was covid,it created the shortest and fastest bear market seen)during those uncertain times Gold will always outperform gigantically .And half the portfolio in BTC is suggested as long as the uptrend remains in place which is the case currently,you will always find a better opportunity if you sit on cash after the uptrend is over in BTC.Because cash will help you to take that next speculation when the bet is required to be placed.If you dont have cash with you, you cant use your opportunities when it comes along.I am not telling you to jump in and out of BTC everyday but use the longer term trends which is why i said you look at BTC every once in a while till the current uptrend is over.
The portfolio created by mixing the two will beat the s and p 500 pants down.
The labor cost in a real estate deal will be significantly more than when you keep two analysts for scouring the financial markets ( Take the best 8 markets and scour them for an uptrend ,any one of them will be trending and you can take a punt,you dont take your positions all of it at once you scale in as it keeps showing profits,you press your winners by doubling up when its profitable.A real movement takes a long time to complete maybe 2-3 years in stocks,6 months to a year in BTC,10 years in commodities etc).
If you are playing the real estate market are you thinking that the real estate market is not going to have its own cycles of uptrend,downtrend etc.Who gave you that idea.However in a real estate deal there is no scaling in as the trade keeps being more profitable like in the case of financial instruments. you need to put all your money in at once in real estate and need to take a much bigger risk.
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Managing real estate is not passive.And managing such a big real estate portfolio has less work than looking at BTC and Gold charts?
You wantbto basiclly go to sleep after putting in the money wothout much legwork that is called passive income.
Gold is suggested because of money printing it will go up in the long run on a 400 year old gold chart we see it keeps pace with inflation,we dont need to correlate it with the s and p500 because half portfolio in Gold is suggested so that it tones down the volatility in BTC- you really are not going to look at your gold portfolio till world war 4 ( world war -3 was covid,it created the shortest and fastest bear market seen)during those uncertain times Gold will always outperform gigantically .And half the portfolio in BTC is suggested as long as the uptrend remains in place which is the case currently,you will always find a better opportunity if you sit on cash after the uptrend is over in BTC.Because cash will help you to take that next speculation when the bet is required to be placed.If you dont have cash with you, you cant use your opportunities when it comes along.I am not telling you to jump in and out of BTC everyday but use the longer term trends which is why i said you look at BTC every once in a while till the current uptrend is over.
The portfolio created by mixing the two will beat the s and p 500 pants down.
The labor cost in a real estate deal will be significantly more than when you keep two analysts for scouring the financial markets ( Take the best 8 markets and scour them for an uptrend ,any one of them will be trending and you can take a punt,you dont take your positions all of it at once you scale in as it keeps showing profits,you press your winners by doubling up when its profitable.A real movement takes a long time to complete maybe 2-3 years in stocks,6 months to a year in BTC,10 years in commodities etc).
If you are playing the real estate market are you thinking that the real estate market is not going to have its own cycles of uptrend,downtrend etc.Who gave you that idea.However in a real estate deal there is no scaling in as the trade keeps being more profitable like in the case of financial instruments. you need to put all your money in at once in real estate and need to take a much bigger risk.
Trading any asset at any time frame is certainly not truly passive, and add more risk.
To get true passive income you need to invest in assets that regularly generate sustainable cash and grow at or more than the inflation rate.
There are assets that grow better or yield better, but I find that investing in an S&P 500 ETF offers the best of both worlds: long term growth and income with relative low risk. Then, just DCA your unspent income (could be automated) into it weekly or monthly. Of course, if you predict US market will collapse within the next 10/20 years that strategy doesn't work.
Regarding BTC vs. Gold, I believe it's a good idea to swap BTC to Gold when the ratio reaches 75-100 oz per BTC.
Not really for growth, but wealth preservation during the bear market cycle.
At least that's what I plan to do.
30x15x10 cm isn't that hard to store safely. And I always wanted to be a pirate.
It's more fun to be able to touch and bury it, PAXG just doesn't feel the same
Not really for growth, but wealth preservation during the bear market cycle.
At least that's what I plan to do.
30x15x10 cm isn't that hard to store safely. And I always wanted to be a pirate.
It's more fun to be able to touch and bury it, PAXG just doesn't feel the same
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No a long way to go before this bull phase is gone i would say.
Passive means where you can do the least amount of work sit back and relax.The BTC+ Gold is one such setup maybe you can do a back test for the last 10 years.All investments have to be monitored else somebody can take all your eggs and run, it goes without saying.There is nothing truly passive for that matter but we can get as close as possible to that.There is no business where the salaried executives will not try to enrich themselves at the investors cost ,but as o said before long term trends do not end in a day.That is the only way you can generate passive income.You have to step out of the market some of the time to know which way things are going.You cannot get into any financial vehicle by closing your eyes.Whenever your stop comes you must get down else you will reach somewhere else where you dont want to go .
Seems to me once we break the 2021 november highs we are in for a ride of a hell of a Are those the checked-in baggages dimensions?Regarding BTC vs. Gold, I believe it's a good idea to swap BTC to Gold when the ratio reaches 75-100 oz per BTC.
Not really for growth, but wealth preservation during the bear market cycle.
At least that's what I plan to do.
30x15x10 cm isn't that hard to store safely. And I always wanted to be a pirate.
It's more fun to be able to touch and bury it, PAXG just doesn't feel the same
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A cube with dimensions of 30x15x10 cm would be about 87 kg of gold,
easy to bury in the ground, but a little too heavy for most airlines.
10 kg bars are more practical of course, and can be easily buried / retrieved using this system:
I am with you on this burying part i would love to bury some gold in a personal dungeon where i play dungeons and dragons with my grandkids.Pass on the Gold to them and then die peacefully.Regarding BTC vs. Gold, I believe it's a good idea to swap BTC to Gold when the ratio reaches 75-100 oz per BTC.
Not really for growth, but wealth preservation during the bear market cycle.
At least that's what I plan to do.
30x15x10 cm isn't that hard to store safely. And I always wanted to be a pirate.
It's more fun to be able to touch and bury it, PAXG just doesn't feel the same
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Maybe Paraguay could be of interest to you as well. It does fit some of your points. Depending on how big a chunk of that 20 - 30 M you would decide to put, building your small edificio is an option. We are orchestrating that now for some investors. I believe there is one under-served space in the market.
Ah somebody from Paraguay.Always wanted to visit and take that almost free residency there.Never got time or it never happened though.
Perfect bro DM me your contact.I will hit you up hopefully sometime soon in Asuncion.I am not sure where you are located in Paraguay by the way.I thought it was a pretty good tax residency to have on the side.
Is the real estate still cheap enough then to pull off what OP is wanting to.I thought labour costs will not warrant such an endeavour anywhere else.
Paraguay will be a nice place to pull of such a heist.
Sent you the contact info. I'm based in Asuncion. See you soon!!
The real estate is still cheap, even in regional terms. Even tho, Asuncion is not Buenos Aires, and never will be.
Not all of it is organic growth. A lot of ml, desperate Argentinians parking money, Brazilians hiding money. But there are opportunities, completely missed by big developers, bc they focus on three groups mentioned above.
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