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Thank you for your very detailed explanation; I must admit it is very interesting reading.

The way I see it, you quickly run into problems regarding the 'source of funds', for example. What I mean is, if you don't pay taxes anywhere or are not registered with a residence anywhere but earn 1 million, what do you then tell the bank when they ask? And what about the banks where most require a TIN or something similar?
 
Thank you for your very detailed explanation; I must admit it is very interesting reading.

The way I see it, you quickly run into problems regarding the 'source of funds', for example. What I mean is, if you don't pay taxes anywhere or are not registered with a residence anywhere but earn 1 million, what do you then tell the bank when they ask? And what about the banks where most require a TIN or something similar?

That depends on where the 1 million comes from and where you bank. But say you have a totally legitimate business, with funds coming into your business bank account, then the business bank is usually fine with it. And if you transfer over a dividend or distribution or something to a personal bank account, you can show paperwork for that from your business if the bank asks.

And regarding personal banks, lets keep assuming the: left the UK, and split the year between the UAE, Mexico and Ireland -situation. Then you can as a UAE resident open personal bank accounts in the UAE, and banks there are pretty good, and it usually isnt a problem to transfer over funds from a business bank account abroad to a personal bank account in the UAE for a legitimate business abroad.

And in this situation you can usually keep your personal UK bank accounts or open offshore UK bank accounts. And with your Irish address you can also open bank accounts in Ireland and in any of the numerous EMIs that support EU residents. If/when they ask you for a TIN you can give them your UAE emirates id number - it is not technically a TIN, the UAE doesnt have TINs, but it is generally used as one anyway. If they dont accept the UAE as tax residence (Revolut doesnt for example), you can use an Irish or a Mexican TIN - in many countries it is easy to get a TIN even if you are not a tax resident. Or you can register in some developed non-bureaucratic country, like e.g. Estonia, get a TIN and then move out. And then you can open bank accounts with your Estonia address and Estonia TIN.

That depends on where the 1 million comes from and where you bank. But say you have a totally legitimate business, with funds coming into your business bank account, then the business bank is usually fine with it. And if you transfer over a dividend or distribution or something to a personal bank account, you can show paperwork for that from your business if the bank asks.

And regarding personal banks, lets keep assuming the: left the UK, and split the year between the UAE, Mexico and Ireland -situation. Then you can as a UAE resident open personal bank accounts in the UAE, and banks there are pretty good, and it usually isnt a problem to transfer over funds from a business bank account abroad to a personal bank account in the UAE for a legitimate business abroad.

And in this situation you can usually keep your personal UK bank accounts or open offshore UK bank accounts. And with your Irish address you can also open bank accounts in Ireland and in any of the numerous EMIs that support EU residents. If/when they ask you for a TIN you can give them your UAE emirates id number - it is not technically a TIN, the UAE doesnt have TINs, but it is generally used as one anyway. If they dont accept the UAE as tax residence (Revolut doesnt for example), you can use an Irish or a Mexican TIN - in many countries it is easy to get a TIN even if you are not a tax resident. Or you can register in some developed non-bureaucratic country, like e.g. Estonia, get a TIN and then move out. And then you can open bank accounts with your Estonia address and Estonia TIN.
And it's nowadays possible to live off crypto entirely and not even have bank accounts - quite useful if your income is in crypto. There are many services where you can pay with a visa/mastercard linked to crypto, or with crypto directly like Bitrefill or Travala. I know lots of people that live like this.
 
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And it's nowadays possible to live off crypto entirely and not even have bank accounts - quite useful if your income is in crypto.
vey difficult unless you know something I don't know, what country would you be able to do so?

you can show paperwork for that from your business if the bank asks.
but I can't provide a TIN (Tax identification number) because I have no tax residency in this model, what then if the bank ask ?
 
vey difficult unless you know something I don't know, what country would you be able to do so?

It's not very difficult if you have a visa/mastercard that uses crypto on the back end. Then you can live a normal life in most countries. I know quite a few people in the UAE who live like this.

However, if you dont even want a visa/mastercard/union pay card, and reject the entirety of the banking system, then it is difficult. Still I know people who live like this, in Vietnam for example. They exchange Bitcoin for cash regularly using p2p, undergound OTC dealers etc, and then the economy is pretty cash based, so most things can be paid with cash.
but I can't provide a TIN (Tax identification number) because I have no tax residency in this model, what then if the bank ask ?

TIN is (in some cases) requested upon opening , and regularly while having the account as part KYC/AML checks.
Source of Funds is a different process, and doesn't really involve TIN - they want to know where your funds came from, not where you are a tax resident.

Also note that in the example above the UK personal accounts that you opened before leaving the UK would typically not ask for TIN, as you opened them as a UK resident. Also the UAE accounts would not ask for a TIN, because you opened them as a resident of the UAE and that means you are de facto treated as a tax resident of the UAE by UAE banks.

Most commonly banks treat residence as tax residence, because residence is way easier to check, and they are from a regulatory perspective not required to check tax residency (just at most collect a TIN). Checking tax residency involves checking center of vital interest / permanent abode, how many days you spent in various countries, if you have a key to a car in Germany, a home in Spain, are registered for a doctor in the Netherlands, have a child in Sweden etc. It doesn't make economic sense for banks to check this.

But anyway, you can provide a TIN in this model, you have a TIN from the UK, and you can get TINs from Ireland, Mexico, and kind of from the UAE. And also I mentioned registering in Estonia, getting an Estonian TIN and then leaving Estonia. Then you could provide the valid Estonia TIN to for example Revolut and they will accept it as that meets their criteria for KYC/AML checks.
And then Revolut would report to Estonia and (maybe to your passport country too), and then Estonia would do nothing with the information because they d see you no longer live there.
Maybe sometime in the future EU firms up things around this, and Revolut would get back to you saying they dont accept the Estonia TIN, but we are not there yet, and this might be far into the future, and there will always be ways around it.

You also have tons of people from developed countries that are not perpetual travellers, just regular people, who go and live in odd countries that dont issue TINs or are so corrupt that it doesnt really make a difference if they issue a TIN or not.

These people are still able to keep their bank accounts in the developed world, and typically just stay with the registration of their accounts in the developed country of origin - no problem!

This would be the equivalent to a perpetual traveller in the previous example just keeping his/her UK bank accounts even after no longer being a tax resident in the UK.
 
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Release what 6 months ago?
Anyhow I would like to see this statement backed up, as I see it they had quite a few troubles and still have, but will possibly go on, albeit with a different offer.
 
How long has this process going on with them already? I would really like to apply for a new account with them but without IBAN it's worthless.

Do new accounts get the IBAN ?
 
How long has this process going on with them already? I would really like to apply for a new account with them but without IBAN it's worthless.

Do new accounts get the IBAN ?
The IBAN transfer process has been going for about 4 months
 
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