Trump Speaks with Putin – The Obvious Reality Finally Dawns

[JustAnotherNomad]

Trump's intervention will ensure no more Ukrainians or Russians die.

Not really, they'll just rebuild and attack again in a few years. In Ukraine or elsewhere.

 

[polonieth]

Not really, they'll just rebuild and attack again in a few years. In Ukraine or elsewhere.

Yeah, because military intervention was their first port of call here. It wasn't like they tried solving things diplomatically for 8 years...

What do you mean rebuild?

 

[wachtwoord]

Why is so very important for some people that Russia win something?
Is it some dream country were people flock near their borders to get in?

I guess most of such people either naive and romanticize Russia , have husband/wife being Russian or simply are Russian.

Balance in the world is really important for individual liberties. The more power lies in fewer blocks, the more oppressive they'll be. Russia is relatively weak so I want them to at the very least not weaken further to be a counter balance to the other powers.

How easy it is to spread propaganda (lies) about many things in the west: including this war (and other recent conflicts), covid, global warming, evident biological truths, etc etc etc. show how valid/important this concern is today. Common people have never had this large an ability to access information as they do today but they allow themselves to be misinformed no less but more.

 

[wachtwoord]

Ukraine were caught in the middle of a USA/Russia proxy war. They may be a highly corrupt country, but their people are the victims in this conflict. Trump's intervention will ensure no more Ukrainians or Russians die. Had Ukraine been allowed to sign Minsk 2 in 2022, Ukraine would still have its old land and nearly 1 million men still alive. USA lost its proxy war, let's now end this crappy conflict. People who had Ukrainian flags in their bios were useful idiots in all this.

This is all true except that the US won and got all it wanted. It wasted Ukranian resources (land and people) to weaken Russia and Europe and force Europe into a more economic dependent position.

Further the puppets in charge of the US got to launder their ill gotten gains. It seems this all went to plan for the most part.

 

[polonieth]

This is all true except that the US won and got all it wanted. It wasted Ukranian resources (land and people) to weaken Russia and Europe and force Europe into a more economic dependent position.

Further the puppets in charge of the US got to launder their ill gotten gains. It seems this all went to plan for the most part.

While it's true the USA has benefitted big time from the EUs demise, I am not sure they got exactly what they wanted, at least not the Neocons who pushed this conflict. The likes of Victoria Nuland and all the other Russiaphobes were desperate for a Moscow Maidan moment. And that hasn't happened.

 

[wellington]

I was in two minds about whether to bother posting about this, as I assume most of the forum members who said I was a Russian propagandist for saying Ukraine is an unwinnable proxy war that should never have been started are no longer here now that they're not getting paid. But anyway...

I can't believe there are still people in Ukraine and the EU who are sincerely surprised at an obvious fact that was clear from day one of the war—this affair will be concluded by negotiations between Russia and the USA. No one else’s “opinion” has ever mattered, and it never will.

Now that Trump has spoken with Putin, it should be clear to anyone paying attention: the game is up. All the cope, all the delusions about some grand Ukrainian victory, all the fantasy about “isolating” Russia—it was never real. The end result was always going to be dictated by Washington and Moscow, and now the grown-ups are talking.

The reason European leaders are losing it over Trump isn’t because of some dramatic shift in US foreign policy either. The war will end the way it was always going to end. What really hurts them is that Washington has stopped pretending that Europe is a meaningful participant in current geopolitical affairs. They used to at least get some ceremonial respect, some scripted role in the imperial play. Now? Trump isn’t even giving them that lol.

For decades, US vassals in Europe at lest got to cosplay as being important—being spoken to with fake diplomatic pleasantries, being allowed to maintain the illusion that their opinions carried weight. That was part of the unspoken contract between Washington and Brussels. Biden at least kept up the act. Trump? He doesn’t even entertain the role-playing anymore. He’s consolidating the core imperial possessions, and if that means letting the European satraps know they’re just administrators of regional tax farms, so be it.

And that’s what’s actually humiliating for them. Not some fundamental shift in US foreign policy, which isn’t nearly as dramatic as they make it sound, but the fact that they’re being openly treated as the irrelevant, powerless dependents they always were. The US doesn’t need their input. Russia certainly doesn’t care about their input. And the war ends when the actual players decide it ends.

You will still hear the clowns like Kallas, Von Der Leyen etc pipe up with stupid posturing but yeah, game over for Europe. SOY!

PS: Look at electricity prices in the Baltics!

I was never disillusioned.

It was a war for Ukraine that it could never win., and their people have been slaughtered for western interests, even if they somehow won their lot wouldn't be better, i've advocated long for Ukrainian(s) and Europeans to leave the West and go to the Global South as the entire thing collapses (US is not immune) and at least salvage some of what they have.

To the dead 5m Ukrainian(s) - slava Ukraine.

 

[wachtwoord]

While it's true the USA has benefitted big time from the EUs demise, I am not sure they got exactly what they wanted, at least not the Neocons who pushed this conflict. The likes of Victoria Nuland and all the other Russiaphobes were desperate for a Moscow Maidan moment. And that hasn't happened.

Well it definitely wasn't beneficial for Russia and has harmed them. If the any of the outcomes are unfortunate for the US it's that is strengthened China (its real biggest geo-political rival).

 

[JohnnyDoe]

 

[John Spectre]

Btw, this one better represent current topic.

 

[cryptofriendly]

It's all about power and money.

Europe lost the war. Ukraine lost the war. Russia lost the war.

The one that won the war is the USA,

specifically the military complex, the LNG complex, all that corrupt politicians (Biden & his son, but so many others as well) that used Ukraine to launder money, the human and weapon traffickers, all US industries that benefit from a higher price for energy in Europe, and the cabal that profits from instability in Europe, and the demise of industry and factories in the EU.

Last but not least, let's not forget the real culprits that create wars which are buying assets on the cheap now, they profited from providing weapons for destruction and now from 'rebuilding'... history always rhymes:

https://www.reuters.com/business/fi...k-jpmorgan-ready-action-this-year-2024-01-16/

 

[Matade]

Putin will test Nato?

Where do people get this nonsense?

It's in Russia's interest to test NATO Article 5 by doing some sketchy s**t around Baltics to prove NATO means jack s**t and will lead to disintegration of the alliance.

 

[Alonzo]

It's in Russia's interest to test NATO Article 5 by doing some sketchy s**t around Baltics to prove NATO means jack s**t and will lead to disintegration of the alliance.

Extremely unlikely for now but let’s see if he really wants to trigger article 5

If US leaves NATO (Trump’s promise apparently) then the likelihood would be much higher for sure.

 

[polonieth]

It's in Russia's interest to test NATO Article 5 by doing some sketchy s**t around Baltics to prove NATO means jack s**t and will lead to disintegration of the alliance.

Do you think they need to do that to prove NATO is outdated and pointless? It's already on it's way out...

Article 5 is not what most people think it is either, mainly because they never read it, just the media articles about it.

 

[bibing]

Am I too late for the let's-hate-EU circlejerk?

No more Trump-bootlickers? How come so few?

 

[marioIT]

 

[JohnnyDoe]

Ursula now:

 

[bibing]

Fact Check: Has Trump declared bankruptcy four or six times? by Washington Post

 

[polonieth]

Fact Check: Has Trump declared bankruptcy four or six times? by Washington Post

Imagine dragging up a fact check by the Washington Post from 2016 as some sort of gotcha. I guess when USAID funding runs out, its left to the even lower IQ ones to head to the trenches and fill in the gaps.

 

[bibing]

Imagine getting inspired by a con man...

 

[cherry]

Imagine getting inspired by a con man...

Well he's certainly morally dubious in some areas but inspiring he certainly is. He could have just retired to Mar-a-Lago with his Billions and lived happily ever after. But look at that picture: He loves America and literally risks being assassinated on any day in his quest to "MAGA". He overcame all the odds between the lawfare, the media against him, and people trying to kill him, yet he still came through and won a landslide election while his enemies crumbled. The man has the courage of a lion, and the heart of a poet.