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Golden Fleece said:
After 9/11, I read over a dozen books on Islam and I spent some time studying the Koran and the Hadith.

What is totally unacceptable is ignorance. So, please rethink your attitude towards ignorance.

And some cultures should not exist, at least not in their current evil state. The culture of the Soviet Union was evil. The culture of Communist China is evil. All cultures are not good or equal. Unless you have gone woke.
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I think the huge rate of cousin-marriage in Arab countries is also to blame:

"As of 2016, about 40% of marriages in Egypt were between cousins.[18] Another source (Reproductive Health) puts the figure at 20.9-32.8% for marriages between blood related partners as of 2009,[15] but much higher—60.5-80.4% -- in the region of Nubia.
47-60% of marriages in Iraq are consanguine (blood related), according to a 2009 study in the journal Reproductive Health.[15] In Iraq the right of the cousin has also traditionally been followed as cousin marriage accounts 50%.
30-40% of marriages in Syria are consanguine (blood related) as of 2009.
According to a 2005 BBC report on Pakistani marriage in the United Kingdom, 55% of Pakistanis marry a first cousin."
 
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This thread is about "Citizenship by investment" and not about religion, Islam, racism or anything like that. Please stick to the topic or do not post in the thread.


I'm, as well as our MOD's are tired of having to delete, BAN and give warning points because many threads go in the wrong direction. Let's try and keep a good tone and stick to the topic, thank you!
 
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Martin Everson said:
Well its against Article 15 of UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights for a person to be made stateless. So he would have still had Nigerian Citizenship or they would not have been able to revoke it.....lol. Even if they did and he had no other passport he could take them to court. Mistake guy made was maybe keeping his old citizenship smi(&%.

Btw the UK can revoke your British passport even if you were born in UK and don't have another passport. Any second generation immigrant in UK can have UK nationality revoked without being informed and be rendered stateless whether they have a second passport or not...lol. UK argues that just being eligible to get a second passport i.e a passport of your parents means they get around preventing you from becoming stateless...lol.

https://www.bishopandsewell.co.uk/2...tish-citizenship-of-isis-bride-shamima-begum/
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Same with the USA. There are plenty of such cases on Lexis Nexus and Westlaw.
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To be fair, most countries do this.

JohnnyDoe said:
If you know Spanish at a decent level and are smart enough, you will obtain your citizenship, even without a lawyer.
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100% this! I'm on a business trip in the region for a few months and I personally know hundreds of expats who have obtained these passports. Maybe there are special cases of those who are not eligible. Of course, those who are troublemakers will NOT get the passport. Some foreigners here they call: "Pesados". These people will NOT get anything.
 
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SatoshiButerin said:
Any thoughts on Turkey CBI? Does it come with any cons like being put on some watchlists or becoming persona non-grata for merely applying?
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Doesn't Turkey have compulsory military service for citizens aged 21 to 41? Or does it not apply to CBI?
 
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SatoshiButerin said:
Singapore Banks to Subject Chinese Holders of CBI Passports to Extra Scrutiny Following Raids - IMI - Investment Migration Insider
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I would 100% want to read the ACTUAL court records and the indictment by the prosecutors. In +40 years of reading court cases on Lexis Nexis, Westlaw, and PACER, I've yet to find one where the newspapers reported correctly what was charged in the courts. Not a single one!

Does anyone have access to the docket sheet/indictment or should https://www.linkedin.com/in/cnesheim/ be approached to obtain it?
 
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I've been looking at these for the past few years, haven't pulled a trigger yet because not really sure they are worth the money plus with all the processes it's likely your exit in emergencies doesn't exist. I.E the US is aware of anyone getting a Caribbean one (part of some agreement last year), its therefore highly unlikely that your own state is not aware via 5 eyes, 9, 14 eyes etc, then factor in Biometrics (airports flagging you as x citizen on x trip and y citizen on y trip), then of-course OECD etc.

The entire point of the passport is
:- Tax. (1st world issue)
:- Escaping authoritarian Gov (1,2,3rd world issue)
:- Visa free access (3rd world issue)

Whereas for the same sort of money you could live in a tax haven, or at least a low tax state and in some cases get a property thrown in.

Also note they do checks via Interpol, domestic, Europol etc (some of them) which immediately flags x company specialising in y citizenship is validating/vetting x citizen) = flag citizen nationally for enhanced monitoring (political, tax, financial, etc)

There's probably better ways to obtain citizenship at respectable countries (singapore for example).

jafo said:
I would 100% want to read the ACTUAL court records and the indictment by the prosecutors. In +40 years of reading court cases on Lexis Nexis, Westlaw, and PACER, I've yet to find one where the newspapers reported correctly what was charged in the courts. Not a single one!

Does anyone have access to the docket sheet/indictment or should https://www.linkedin.com/in/cnesheim/ be approached to obtain it?
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This did make me laugh when it occurred...

The sheer scale/audacity.

But then again the Cambodian casinos and digital gambling offerings blew up in size during covid and due to the influencers (titties/sex) etc it drove in punters (P**N sites etc, fb, socials etc).

I guess the one area in their brilliant plans was not realising they needed to escape to some middle-eastern hell hole and loose out on the dimsum.
 
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wellington said:
But then again the Cambodian casinos and digital gambling offerings blew up in size during covid and due to the influencers (titties/sex) etc it drove in punters (P**N sites etc, fb, socials etc).

I guess the one area in their brilliant plans was not realising they needed to escape to some middle-eastern hell hole and loose out on the dimsum.
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smi(&% rof/%

The author has NOT responded with the court records he used to extrapolate his article yet, but I am 99.99% sure the defendants were targeted due to their ostentatiousness on social media or through family members/relatives/employees/friends, etc. that didn't "earn" what they thought is fair or cut a deal with the state to get a portion of the confiscated proceedings :rolleyes:

I've read so many indictments and court records where the amounts are negligent, to me and probably to everyone else on this forum, but the sensationalism of the government and their beneficiaries makes me question my own sanity. :oops:

For the last 7 years, so many compliance officers have asked my bankers to ask me why I don't have a social media presence. I just pretend to be a complete Luddite but a degree in Electrical & Computer engineering contradicts my "self-imposed" ignorance although I stand my ground actively defending my IT ignorance. On some occasions, they have even requested to create a social media presence and when I refused, they closed my bank accounts.

In summary, if nobody knows, none of us will EVER get bothered. We get bothered when we "snitch" on ourselves.

There are NO mutes in prison!

In this sh1tty world of double-crossings and treachery, be a Ronald Read.
Excerpt: "Unbeknownst to everyone around him until he died at age 92 in June 2014, Read had quietly amassed an $8 million fortune, thanks to smart spending and investing habits."


Source: A janitor secretly amassed an $8 million fortune and left most of it to his library and hospital
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wellington said:
I guess the one area in their brilliant plans was not realising they needed to escape to some middle-eastern hell hole and loose out on the dimsum.
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You need to think over your plan again and again before executing. Some people are unable to do that.
 
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