yes but you have problems with banking if you have to use banks, as you may know!Russia may be better right, there is no information exchange at all between Russia and the rest of the world.
You have to get your nominee or director or someone else to open the accounts.@webangel the problem with your suggested setup is the banking which is not anonymous at this point. You would need something more in order to avoid your name appear in banking transactions, that something is discussed in details in mentor group gold for years.
very good point, they won't recognize Panama or the US as place where business takes place.Technically managing a US LLC from Panama could be considered having a fixed place of business in Panama but unless you do business with locals how do you think they will be able to identify a solopreneur operating a shopify store from his laptop or a consultant doing zoom calls?
very nice explained and good to check past historyIt might seem that way but the forum is more active than ever (I think), thanks to a shift in focus towards residence and compliant solutions. There is way more to discuss, research, and discover now than previously.
OCT in 2009: just form an offshore company in Seychelles and open a bank account in Panama, you'll be anonymous.
OCT in 2014: just form an offshore company in Seychelles and open a bank account in Panama, you'll be anonymous as long as there are no TIEA requests which Seychelles and Panama both often don't respect if they sign them at all. Just don't be a US citizen.
OCT in 2019: just form an offshore company in Seychelles and open an EMI account. Maybe it's anonymous? Probably not for long.
OCT in 2024: set up residence in X, form a company in X or Y, and get a bank account in X, Y, or Z. You won't be anonymous but with the right structure, you'll be out of scope of taxation in your home country. Also here are some ways to cash out crypto. Plus information about nominees, lawyers, corporate service providers, and more.
Those who keep up with the times won't struggle. Those who are still looking for that 2009–2014 (if not even older...) era offshore financial services industry are falling further and further beyond each year.
Good one, But I assume that the OP has the funds to set up a company in some offshore country, where they can establish the entire operation with everything needed, for example, an office, staff, water, heating, internet, and even a sign on the door that says "Happy John's Offshore Company."Those are increasingly outmoded requirements. If you keep holding on to the past, the present won't wait for you, and then the future will hit you like a bag of bricks to the face.
Don't start a business if you can't afford accounting or other basic things.
It costs very little and it can help you in many ways (banking, PSPs, taxes). What are you doing running a business if you can't even budget some basic paperwork to be done for it?
I can understand pushing back against audits, but just pure, simple, basic accounting...
Raise money if you need to in order to meet your business needs. Friends and family. Bank loans. Angel investors. Seed investors. VC/PE. You have the drive — go out and find them. OPM is great. Just pay them back and give them value.
Don't start a foreign company if you can't afford to meet substance requirements.
Very few jurisdictions haven't implemented substance requirements yet (for example Samoa), but they are a dying breed. OECD comes for all.
The degree of substance requirements vary but don't look at the relaxed requirement in jurisdiction X today and expect them to stay that way. Be smart. Look at what's going on and deduce what the next move is going to be. Prepare for that. Monitor the situation.
Don't commit tax fraud/tax evasion.
This includes VAT fraud in EU/EEA/UK.
Without a doubt the dumbest crimes you can commit, because the burden of proof is often reversed. You'll probably end up paying the tax you should have, and more in penalties and loss of opportunities.
This brings us to...
Residence is key.
If you don't like the taxes where you live, don't live there. I swear there is pure tax-brain-rot in the Spanish tap water.
Go live somewhere else. The world is big and you can find different tax incentives all over the world.
The Perpetual Traveller dream is just that: a dream. I can't deny there are people out there who do it. But it's getting harder. More and more are opting for genuine, bonafide tax residence somewhere.
Be OK with paying more than zero tax.
It's possible (see 0% tax for digital nomad achievable?), but to a lot of people, simply paying less tax leads to a better quality of life than striving for zero tax.
Paying even just a modicum of tax gives an air of legitimacy that can helpful.
Banking secrecy is dead.
Banking secrecy is gone. You can run around the world chasing non-CRS territories but they are running out, and the last ones standing are going to be places you probably don't want to put your money anyway.
Establish your residence and business in such a way that secrecy is a non-issue.
Corporate secrecy is dying.
Forget anonymity. Instead, understand what is public, what is limited, and what is private.
Public = anyone can view.
Limited = some information is public, some is limited (to law enforcement, to media with good cause, to government).
Private = only you and the government know.
Consider that data leaks, both from service providers/lawyers and from corporate registers themselves.
Use nominees cleverly and carefully.
Asset protection is alive.
Don't buy off-the-shelf solutions. Get something bespoke, set up with the help of people who understand all applicable laws and risks. Don't google "cheap cook islands trust fast instant setup i'm being sued". Plan ahead. Understand your risks. Be realistic.
Good asset protection usually doesn't rely on secrecy (see previous two points).
Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
There are times in life when monkeys are great. They can be great companions at your jungle villa in Costa Rica or fun to encounter in the wild or just walking around Gibraltar or Singapore.
What they are not good for is setting up companies, opening bank accounts, and tax planning.
Just like you don't sell your own time and skills for cheap, neither should you expect others to. Experience costs.
Don't get ripped off, though. Perform due diligence on service providers. And explain your scope to them clearly. Even a good, trustworthy lawyer can go above and beyond racking up billable hours if you don't tell them exactly what to do (ideally agree on pricing in advance).
Paralysis by analysis.
I see so many OCT users fall for this.
Are you entrepreneurs or wannapreneurs?
Asking questions, doing research, and analysing options are good things that you should be doing.
But too often I see people get stuck in hypotheticals and — by the looks of it — getting nowhere, instead worrying about to cash out their 6 trillion USD in crypto using their Cambodian passport while residing in Paraguay. In reality, the business is either non-existent or just puttering by.
Grow your business.
This is probably the most important part. If you have a business that's doing well, focus on growing it if you can continue to scale it up.
Don't take your 500,000 USD/year business offshore just to save on taxes. You probably can't save on taxes (legally) and even if you do, I'd bet the costs of doing so aren't that much different from the costs of paying tax.
Instead, grow your business. Get it big enough that going international starts making sense, factoring in all the costs and complexities thereof.
KYC: Banks are banks are banks.
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— Look at all those ducks and what a nice row they form! #inspirational
This comes back to basic accounting. Companies with basic accounting don't struggle with showing invoices and agreements when banks ask.
If you want to use fiat money, you have to play by the fiat money rules. This means SOF (Source of Funds) and SOW (Source of Wealth) checks and disclosure.
Keep all statements, invoices, agreements, receipts. Maintain fresh bank statements and utility bills/proof of address. File your taxes. Keep copies of the returns. Store it all safely and redundantly.
Things are tough already and will only get tougher. Be prepared for that.
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Whats the outcome of all you efforts during 2024 ? Do you achieved the your anonymous offshore company plans or did you ran into to many barriers to get it done?How can I set up a tax-free company in 2024 in any location worldwide, ensuring anonymity for its owners, with minimal accounting and auditing requirements, and requiring only a small amount of paid-in share capital?
It comes across as the price for a prime location and employee. Depending on employee workload I am sure you could cut those costs substantially for Cyprus.I have received an offer in Cyprus for a complete solution for company setup and substance, which includes a genuine office where I can hold meetings, an employee who acts as both a receptionist and office assistant, internet, electricity, heating, air conditioning, and a fully furnished office equipped with everything one might need.
The startup costs are approximately 45,000 EUR, and the monthly costs with one employee are 3,200 EUR per month. I think this is a very reasonable price. I am currently in the process of obtaining similar offers in Malta, the USA, Dubai, and Monaco.
The plan is to establish genuine offices in all these countries and connect them in such a way that they are not owned by the same entity but that the companies trade with each other, hopefully in a tax-free manner.
Im not living there anymore but would immediately take on the project for you if I was (just to give you an idea about how well you are paying).Yes, hopefully, I’ll be able to do that in the long run. For now, however, I’m okay with this setup in the beginning, as long as I can get my complete setup to function as planned.
I wasn't fishing for what you do, just to be clear.Thank you for your comment. I’m not inclined to give too much information about what I’m working on, but I don’t think it should be too hard to figure out, in my opinion.
It’s probably true that I could get it cheaper elsewhere, but this saves me a lot of hassle. I’d rather pay a little extra and get it done properly without all the “I don’t understand,” “I thought you meant,” or “That’s what you said,” and so on.
I’ll provide more details about my setup in the Mentor Group Gold forums later on, so those who are interested can read more there.
A lot of money to setup the company with substance, however, if the tax savings are much higher it is a good deal anyway.I have received an offer in Cyprus for a complete solution for company setup and substance, which includes a genuine office where I can hold meetings, an employee who acts as both a receptionist and office assistant, internet, electricity, heating, air conditioning, and a fully furnished office equipped with everything one might need.
The startup costs are approximately 45,000 EUR, and the monthly costs with one employee are 3,200 EUR per month. I think this is a very reasonable price. I am currently in the process of obtaining similar offers in Malta, the USA, Dubai, and Monaco.
The plan is to establish genuine offices in all these countries and connect them in such a way that they are not owned by the same entity but that the companies trade with each other, hopefully in a tax-free manner.
Very true. You need to spend a lot of time on your setup planning and carefully review the contracts that your so called service providers ask you to sign. In most cases, you will need to amend many parts of them if you don’t want to end up on the losing side.I wasn't fishing for what you do, just to be clear.
Just be careful with the thought "ill pay more so I wont have to deal with X, Y and Z". Especially when working with locals, be very clear in your communications and instructions (17 years of Cyprus experience has taught me that). When using service providers, make sure that all what you want is also documented up front. Don't rely on the contracts from service providers. Those are tailored to cover their a*s. Not act in the best interest of you as the client.
did I missed out on the thread or you didn't post it yet in mentor group?Thank you for your comment. I’m not inclined to give too much information about what I’m working on, but I don’t think it should be too hard to figure out, in my opinion.
It’s probably true that I could get it cheaper elsewhere, but this saves me a lot of hassle. I’d rather pay a little extra and get it done properly without all the “I don’t understand,” “I thought you meant,” or “That’s what you said,” and so on.
I’ll provide more details about my setup in the Mentor Group Gold forums later on, so those who are interested can read more there.
you may open a thread and tag me if interested.did I missed out on the thread or you didn't post it yet in mentor group?
The short answer is, yes it will be reported to the passport country. It will also be reported to the residency country.About that: does this mean a panama bank account opened by a foreigner will be reported to his home country, but a panama bank account opened as a panama resident will not?
I think banks in their KYC still ask for passport and that identifies your home country, so they know. I am just wondering if being a resident simply makes CRS irrelevant here, since your home address is in Panama.
I would then understand why ppl would opt for a paper residency in Panama, but would worry about their actual residency not knowing.
Well this is what's confusing: if you open an account as a resident (and you have an id), Panama is your home country. And that becomes the CRS reporting country. This is different from a person opening an account declaring residency in another country. Hence why I was asking @Marzio if my assumption is correctThe short answer is, yes it will be reported to the passport country. It will also be reported to the residency country.
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