Fighting for Ukraine – a discussion...

[PassinBy]

Are they really that much safer when Ukraine is reconstituting a domestic cruise and ballistic missile capability? Everyone on the Western side is tolerating Kaliningrad... Where does this all end?

The Finnish border is 333km from St Petersburg.

And where are these missiles? "We" mothballed all these things at the end of the Cold War.

At the same time, we have almost no missiles, we don't want to strike Russia, and we've dismantled the infrastructure (potentially duel use ABM sites aside), so reestablishing the Intermediary Forces Treaty in some form should have been an easy win. Any argument for "Russia is paranoid" is also an argument for "Russia is cheap to placate".

 

[369]

we don't want to strike Russia

Don't talk BS from which you have no clue expcially for people holding power in the west.
They are ready for nuclear war if they would have a big advantage which they hoped falsly when installing the anti rocket system in poland and czech.
Their main goal is to get rid of Putin and make russia a pro NATO nation like under Jelzin and to destroy their competitors BRICS in the financial monetary system which would give USA power over all countries in the world.

 

[polonieth]

did you ever saw the propral of russia to split ukraine ?
for them there is no need to take more land they already got the territory they wanted and it is way more than what they had in the beginning were they wanted to stop.so yeah great work ukraine you even lost more and about the lives of citizens i wont even mention,

I'm not sure why people have such a hard time viewing foreign conflicts without advocating blindly for either side; look at the facts on the ground.

I suppose if you have a financial stake in the outcome, then I can understand the activism as you shill your bags, but most people have zero skin in the game; they are just falling for blatant propaganda. Becoming a radical advocate for one side means you give up your ability to understand the conflict and just become a parrot, as we see all over social media. "unprovoked" "sovereign and democratic republic of Ukraine" "dictator" "illegal invasion" "genocide" bla bla bla.

Even the Americans are now calling it a proxy war.

 

[John Spectre]

the grandfathers of certain users on this forum would definitely be proud of their grandchildren. Lol.

 

[polonieth]

Good stuff from Professor Diesen:

https://rumble.com/embed/v6o1v94/?pub=xzlh7

 

[John Spectre]

Is what sense "tolerating"? They haven't attacked it yet?

Well, then Russia is still "tolerating" Europe too.
There's been no strike by Oreshnik still.
None by Yars. None by Sarmat. None by Avangard.
No strike from a submarine to UK which would otherise make the island sink from a tsunami.
Nothing!

Privet one more rusky in this forum.
And poka

 

[369]

the grandfathers of certain users on this forum would definitely be proud of their grandchildren. Lol.

Oh yeah the grandfathers would beat the s**t out of poles for helping this massivly ukraine after the Volhynia massakre where ukrainian killed 10.000 people majority woman and children by the most cruel way possible including torturing.
You guys are not much loved here that i can tell and expcially they hate the demand of ukrainians.

So yeah polish people have a deep hate on ukrainians because of Volhynia where you deny exhumation till today because the cruelty ukrainians did to children and woman would be exposed which doesn't fit the current narrative.

Everyone on the Western side is tolerating Kaliningrad

They have to......its in the interest of the west and usa.
Putin already threatened to give it back to the germans.
It's a more complex story to understand the history behind it but the result would be the collapse of the administration of Federeal Republic of Germany the instant demand of west poland back to Deutsche Reich and Poland could demand back their territory from west ukraine which are till today by law only under ukrainian administration and nothing more.

This would create a complete chaos in europe

 

[John Spectre]

well.
after a few days of 'experiments' we can end the game with the conclusion that certain users are just bots, simply broadcasting narratives.

- you don't participate in their dialogues, but they still try to outshine your messages with their statements , constantly quoting you and spreading bunch of trash

- their message must necessarily be BIGGER, MASSIVE than the one they are supposedly responding to, in order to give significance to the nonsense they write

- it doesn't matter if you ask simple questions, if you are having a dialogue on some topic with someone or so. they just come out with a bunch of numberless statements, because initial message contain several 'keywords' that they got baited by

- it doesn't matter what topic, what meaningless or meaningful message you send - there will always be a response, with an attempt to impose a discussion of very specific and concrete topics.

Nice, but bored. Even dialogues with chatgpt more interesting.

 

[369]

well.
after a few days of 'experiments' we can end the game with the conclusion that certain users are just bots, simply broadcasting narratives.

- you don't participate in their dialogues, but they still try to outshine your messages with their statements , constantly quoting you and spreading bunch of trash

- their message must necessarily be BIGGER, MASSIVE than the one they are supposedly responding to, in order to give significance to the nonsense they write

- it doesn't matter if you ask simple questions, if you are having a dialogue on some topic with someone or so. they just come out with a bunch of numberless statements, because initial message contain several 'keywords' that they got baited by

- it doesn't matter what topic, what meaningless or meaningful message you send - there will always be a response, with an attempt to impose a discussion of very specific and concrete topics.

Nice, but bored. Even dialogues with chatgpt more interesting.

how much you get as psyop ?

 

[polonieth]

well.
after a few days of 'experiments' we can end the game with the conclusion that certain users are just bots, simply broadcasting narratives.

- you don't participate in their dialogues, but they still try to outshine your messages with their statements , constantly quoting you and spreading bunch of trash

- their message must necessarily be BIGGER, MASSIVE than the one they are supposedly responding to, in order to give significance to the nonsense they write

- it doesn't matter if you ask simple questions, if you are having a dialogue on some topic with someone or so. they just come out with a bunch of numberless statements, because initial message contain several 'keywords' that they got baited by

- it doesn't matter what topic, what meaningless or meaningful message you send - there will always be a response, with an attempt to impose a discussion of very specific and concrete topics.

Nice, but bored. Even dialogues with chatgpt more interesting.

From the guy who never answers any questions.

Just some rant from someone who lost a debate and now wants to pretend the discussion was beneath them

 

[daniels27]

I wish all those that are fighting here would be willing to fight at front line too.

 

[polonieth]

I wish all those that are fighting here would be willing to fight at front line too.

Why would citizens of neither Russia or Ukraine be willing to fight on the front lines?

You'd be the scum of the earth - a mercenary.

 

[daniels27]

Why would citizens of neither Russia or Ukraine be willing to fight on the front lines?

Many reasons. You defend your place. You can feel the sense of achievement (unlike here).

You'd be the scum of the earth - a mercenary.

No, you will start saving the planet CO2 daily. It is good for the environment and for future generations.

 

[369]

@Daniel why are you and spectre not on the front a long time ago ?
What are you guys waiting for ?

You can tell us after the war your achievement we will love to her them once you went to the front

Why are you NOT willing to go on the front when being so supportive towards ukraine and speading notorious propaganda ?
Or do you see you spreading propaganda on behalf of ukraine as achievment to support ukraine at the cost of fools falling for it ?

 

[daniels27]

@Daniel why are you and spectre not on the front a long time ago ?

As you know, I am neutral.

Why are you NOT willing to go on the front when being so supportive towards ukraine and speading notorious propaganda ?

I am not aware that I was spreading propaganda. If I go through my posts here, I think most are questions and I think they are pretty much balanced between both opinions.