Does this have anything to do with the topic?But I have a question. @John Spectre would you also join @void and go fight yourself?
how did you come to such a conclusion?would you also join @void and go fight yourself?
I think you recently posted (off-topic and now deleted) that you were supposed to join the army but are hiding in EUSSR instead. Why would you not fight for your mother land?how did you come to such a conclusion?I can hardly think of a situation where I would fight anybody
Yes, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you have alluded to the fact you're Ukrainian. So I think it's relevant, especially if you're of fighting age, how you can justify the things you write here while you've sat by and seen 1 million+ die on the battlefield...Does this have anything to do with the topic?
Well yes. If both parties reject the fabulus trumporious peace plan, the war continues and Ukranie needs their men to fight in order to have a better position in talks.
And why should Europeans pay part of their income to arm your country while you are sitting on the couch discussing life on OCT?Yes, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you have alluded to the fact you're Ukrainian. So I think it's relevant, especially if you're of fighting age, how you can justify the things you write here while you've sat by and seen 1 million+ die on the battlefield...
It seems like a rather foolish question, do you really think it's that one user on OCT who's waging the war? Excuse me, but please try to stay on topic. That’s just ridiculous.And why should Europeans pay part of their income to arm your country while you are sitting on the couch discussing life on OCT?
I don't remember that I personally asked you or your countries for anything. So don't hang debts on me.And why should Europeans pay part of their income to arm your country while you are sitting on the couch discussing life on OCT?
Absolutely. I won't make any difference. But let's be honest. It also makes no difference if one guy stops paying taxes for whatever reason. We normally tell them to leave Europe (and by that stop getting publicly funded benefits). Hence the logical question is how Ukrainians justify not fighting for their country.It seems like a rather foolish question, do you really think it's that one user on OCT who's waging the war? Excuse me, but please try to stay on topic. That’s just ridiculous.
Absolutely. I won't make any difference. But let's be honest. It also makes no difference if one guy stops paying taxes for whatever reason. We normally tell them to leave Europe (and by that stop getting publicly funded benefits). Hence the logical question is how Ukrainians justify not fighting for their country.
@uplana @John Spectre @void I respect all opinions. I had some good conversations a few months back with @void and I respect his opinion a lot. Any I am open to help him getting a passport.
Just out of personal interest, I was wondering why Ukrainians are not fighting, while partaking often in quite emotional discussions about their country. I am not accusing them of anything and respect their decision fully as much as I respect anybody who decided otherwise.
I think we all know the answer to that. However, unlike you, if they have been on here pushing the conflict and spreading propaganda that aims to extend it or push others towards the front lines, then I have zero respect for their decision to only partake in the information war as part of Ukraine's keyboard battalion.Just out of personal interest, I was wondering why Ukrainians are not fighting, while partaking often in quite emotional discussions about their country. I am not accusing them of anything and respect their decision fully as much as I respect anybody who decided otherwise.
The same way any other man justified it in any other war.Hence the logical question is how Ukrainians justify not fighting for their country.
Again, out of touch with reality:The same way any other man justified it in any other war.
- many are working to provide for their families and family always come first
- many are helping directly (donating to the army or humanitarian causes) and indirectly (paying their fair share of taxes)
- many just can't fight due to medical, mental or other issues. Their usefulness on the frontline will be negative as it takes actual time and plenty of resources to train, supply and deliver the new fighter to the front
It's a not all-out war, there is no need to send every able body armoured with sticks and stones, it's a mostly technological conflict nowadays, the winner side will have better intel, better equipment, enough ammo to counter the opposite side etc.
Your point?Again, out of touch with reality:
You just said:Your point?
Ukraine was, is and will be a corrupted country, there is no denial of it.
Yet I just showed you they are forcibly taking people off the street to go to the front lines to fight in this "mostly technological conflict". How are you so out of touch with what's happening? It's a meat grinder, not a technology war.It's a not all-out war, there is no need to send every able body armoured with sticks and stones, it's a mostly technological conflict nowadays, the winner side will have better intel, better equipment, enough ammo to counter the opposite side etc.
@John Spectre is that true?Your point?
Ukraine was, is and will be a corrupted country, there is no denial of it.
Because it's very emotional yet mostly anecdotal evidence of existing issues within Ukraine if you speak numbers. Regarding the "meat grinder" - well, compare the casualty rate of this war to WW2 or any recent conflict in Africa or elsewhere. I'm not sugarcoating it, it's bad and tens of thousands of people die every year, but maybe let Ukrainians decide if they are ready to continue fighting, not some fat asses in pretty cabinets.Yet I just showed you they are forcibly taking people off the street to go to the front lines to fight in this "mostly technological conflict". How are you so out of touch with what's happening? It's a meat grinder, not a technology war.
Sure, like many other countries in the world.@John Spectre if that true?
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