Expat = immigrant.

[Golden Fleece]

Check Sweden. Before and after.

For that matter, check most Western European nations before and after Muslim immigration.

I have a close friend who visited Austria in her twenties. It was her lifelong dream to move there, perhaps after retirement. She went back twenty years later. Now, she wants nothing to do with Austria.

She went to entire markets where no women were allowed because of the Muslim influence. Muslim men stared at her presence at the market with a burning hatred in their eyes.

And bear in mind that Austria is one of the Western countries with a relatively moderate Muslim problem, as opposed to some other European nations. But now 8% of the population in Austria is Muslim -- or 700,000 people. It is now at the Islamic political agitation and special rights tipping point.

Austria’s government is now facing backlash for launching an “Islam Map” website that shows the locations of more than 600 mosques and Muslim associations across the country. But why did it publish that map?

Reports of anti-Muslim attacks in Austria have been on the rise since an Islamic State sympathizer killed four people in a November mass shooting in Vienna.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/29/austria-islam-map/

 

[zzzzzz]

Immigrants in Dubai should better be called settlers. Or slaves, depending on their social function.

And third category - tax refugees.

 

[blizz]

Check Sweden. Before and after.

what is about Sweden ?

 

[Martin Everson]

Someone above mentioned the term 'economic migrant' which I think is a separate third category - someone who is in the country temporarily, for the money, but in low-paid (for that country) jobs.

Economic migrant does not necessarily mean someone is in a low paid job. There are plenty of well paid professionals who move to take up well paid jobs in third countries. A lot of IT professionals, engineers, doctors, bankers etc who move to high income countries like Dubai etc to take up jobs. They are economic migrants also.

 

[elcontestador]

A lot of IT professionals, engineers, doctors, bankers etc who move to high income countries like Dubai etc to take up jobs

Personally I would call them expats if they don't intend to settle in that country, and immigrants if they do. But I suppose technically your definition is correct, it's just my impression that the term economic migrant is more often used with the lower paid people fleeing poverty of their home countries...

 

[Golden Fleece]

Personally I would call them expats if they don't intend to settle in that country, and immigrants if they do. But I suppose technically your definition is correct, it's just my impression that the term economic migrant is more often used with the lower paid people fleeing poverty of their home countries...

That is the case in the U.S. The socialist media, which can no longer even agree on the definition of the word "woman," has moved from using the phrase "illegal aliens" to "economic migrants."

In the U.S., no one would ever call a professional worker from another country who is working temporarily in the U.S. an "economic migrant." In fact, normal people would never call an illegal alien an economic migrant.

Only someone who legally and permanently moves to the U.S. for a better financial life should be an "economic migrant." Yet, that term is rarely used. You would just call them an immigrant.

In honor of this utterly useless thread, let's play the "Immigrant Song" by Led Zeppelin. That way, at least something good can come of it.

Ah-ah, ah!
Ah-ah, ah!

We come from the land of the ice and snow
From the midnight sun where the hot springs flow
The hammer of the gods
Will drive our ships to new lands
To fight the horde, sing and cry
Valhalla, I am coming

On we sweep with threshing oar
Our only goal will be the western shore

Ah-ah, ah!
Ah-ah, ah!

We come from the land of the ice and snow
From the midnight sun where the hot springs flow
How soft your fields so green
Can whisper tales of gore
Of how we calmed the tides of war
We are your overlords

On we sweep with threshing oar
Our only goal will be the western shore

So now you'd better stop and rebuild all your ruins
For peace and trust can win the day despite of all your losing

Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh
Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh
Ahh, ah
Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh
Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh
Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh

 

[diatessaron]

Can we all agree now that expat = immigrant and that we are going to sell our soul to the devil within the next 8 years? Thank you.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

Can we all agree now that expat = immigrant and that we are going to sell our soul to the devil within the next 8 years? Thank you.

We already sold our souls to Amazon and eventually Elon I the Emperor of Mars will claim them.
Native martians will start discriminating towards immigrants coming from that shitty hot planet and the story will repeat.

 

[Golden Fleece]

Can we all agree now that expat = immigrant and that we are going to sell our soul to the devil within the next 8 years? Thank you.

No, we cannot. Peddle your socialist Orwellian Newspeak elsewhere. And crack open a dictionary.

An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person who resides outside their native country.[1] In common usage, the term often refers to educated professionals, skilled workers, or artists taking positions outside their home country, either independently or sent abroad by their employers.[2] However, the term 'expatriate' is also used for retirees and others who have chosen to live outside their native country. Historically, it has also referred to exiles.[3]

In contrast to an immigrant, expatriates maintain the cultural ties such as language of their country of origin—thereby not assimilating. Expatriates usually also do not seek to become citizens of their new country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriate

 

[JohnnyDoe]

No, we cannot. Peddle your socialist Orwellian Newspeak elsewhere. And crack open a dictionary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriate

What about those expats who want to become citizens while retaining their habits, culture, language etc? Like Muslims in Europe.

 

[Golden Fleece]

What about those expats who want to become citizens while retaining their habits, culture, language etc? Like Muslims in Europe.

They are not expats. They are immigrants, because they wish to remain permanently. Why is this concept so difficult to understand?

Expatriates usually also do not seek to become citizens of their new country.

Definition of immigrant​

: one that immigrates: such as
a: a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence

 

[JohnnyDoe]

They are not expats. They are immigrants, because they wish to remain permanently.

But they do not wish to integrate

Why is this concept so difficult to understand?

Because you quoted Wikipedia:
In contrast to an immigrant, expatriates maintain the cultural ties such as language of their country of origin—thereby not assimilating. Expatriates usually also do not seek to become citizens of their new country.

 

[Golden Fleece]

But they do not wish to integrate

But Muslims wish to stay permanently in their new country, which is the key part of the dictionary definition.

Definition of immigrant​

: one that immigrates: such as
a: a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence

On the other hand, whether or not not they wish to integrate into society is irrelevant to the dictionary definition of an immigrant.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

But Muslims wish to stay permanently in their new country, which is the key part of the dictionary definition.

The definition you gave says this:

In contrast to an immigrant, expatriates maintain the cultural ties such as language of their country of origin—thereby not assimilating.

On the other hand, whether or not not they wish to integrate into society is irrelevant to the dictionary definition of an immigrant.

You are contradicting the definition you gave:
In contrast to an immigrant, expatriates maintain the cultural ties such as language of their country of origin—thereby not assimilating.

 

[Golden Fleece]

The definition you gave says this:

In contrast to an immigrant, expatriates maintain the cultural ties such as language of their country of origin—thereby not assimilating.

You are contradicting the definition you gave:
In contrast to an immigrant, expatriates maintain the cultural ties such as language of their country of origin—thereby not assimilating.

You are conflating the attributes of two different terms. I do not have the time to provide you with a primer on logic, but this may help:

And if you believe that the horde of Muslims are expats, then you are a nut.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

You are conflating the attributes of two different terms. I do not have the time to provide you with a primer on logic, but this may help:

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And if you believe that the horde of Muslims are expats, then you are a nut.

I am trolling you

 

[Golden Fleece]

I am trolling you

Well, you did a good job.

 

[elcontestador]

But they do not wish to integrate


Because you quoted Wikipedia:
In contrast to an immigrant, expatriates maintain the cultural ties such as language of their country of origin—thereby not assimilating. Expatriates usually also do not seek to become citizens of their new country.

I guess they are bad immigrants in that case, yet immigrants all the same - since they are likely to remain there, so do their children.

 

[diatessaron]

We already sold our souls to Amazon and eventually Elon I the Emperor of Mars will claim them.
Native martians will start discriminating towards immigrants coming from that shitty hot planet and the story will repeat.

Over here Alibaba has the full rights to my soul, key to my heart and the way things are going, they will kindly allow themselves through my back door. The one at the end of my spine.

No, we cannot. Peddle your socialist Orwellian Newspeak elsewhere. And crack open a dictionary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriate

"In contrast to an immigrant, expatriates maintain the cultural ties such as language of their country of origin—thereby not assimilating."

Is this why Europe went from Deus Vult to mosques in big city centers? Those people are called immigrants but I guess we can start calling them expats since they maintain their cultural ties such as a white dress, a big beard and a feel good feeling about "My God is better than yours".

What about gypsies, 2,000 years in Europe, still maintain their sense of self. Are they immigrants or expats?

 

[Golden Fleece]

Is this why Europe went from Deus Vult to mosques in big city centers? Those people are called immigrants but I guess we can start calling them expats since they maintain their cultural ties such as a white dress, a big beard and a feel good feeling about "My God is better than yours".

What about gypsies, 2,000 years in Europe, still maintain their sense of self. Are they immigrants or expats?

Anyone whose intention is to reside permanently in a new country is an immigrant. Your use of a logical fallacy regarding assimilation is idiotic. Most immigrants assimilate, but some do not. It is not required by the definition of "immigrant."

Once again, educate yourself regarding basic logic and reasoning:

If you cannot do that yourself, then consult a dictionary.