Straight-up synonyms.mass surveillance for crime, tax evasion
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What kind of "illegal"?illegal cases
Mala in se or mala prohibita?
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Straight-up synonyms.mass surveillance for crime, tax evasion
What kind of "illegal"?illegal cases
This is what is known as whataboutism, all I did was refute your claim that its a requirement to do so. Could I have worded things better initially? Yes.Whilst thread topic is ProtonMail risks - certainly not merits - the matter is about technological standards, nominal Swiss regulations and international legal assistance, beside other non public international agreements.
@incognitbro presents nominal fact that ProtonMail - and other privacy declared providers - isn't logging metadata which @wellington accepts.
Without getting into polemics with @wellington, @Sols and @incognitbro, I would remind them and the OCT about one quite secret and long program that US and Germany had with certain Swiss vendors - Crypto AG being one of them
Proton AG and it's products are interesting but can be readily substituted with higher nominal and effective security margin.
Yes, I understand – and agree.First started putting together whilst in the UK briefly, built out whilst in Switzerland and then moved to HK (Corporate).
No, with all the adverse noise (years-years ago) towards privacy, even though it was never commercialised i didn't feel comfortable (think it was around the time of terror attacks in Europe) if something i created / owned / operated was used nefariously.
I see the need for it, but also recognised the potential negative societal impact and personal loss of liberty if it was used by such actors.
Well, the problem is, who and how is defining what is illegal. (See @jafo here Do you still trust Proton Mail ? ? ?) And especially in cases with some political context it is almost always questionnable...I have been using Protonmail long time and never doubted it. What people discuss here is in illegal cases, why would they protect it ?
Things seem a little tense in this thread. Please stay on topic. A discussion about VPN logging sounds interesting, but that and other off topic posts will be deleted going forward. Let's keep this thread on track, i.e. the merits of ProtonMail.
Yes, indeed.
Why is the topic of Proton Mail so "tense".
Is there something more to this topic that is not so obvious?
(I am asking as the person who started the thread.)
No, the topic is the risks of Proton Mail, not the "merits".
The topic is Proton Mail (which means discussions about Proton Mail are relevant). Some posts started bringing up VPN services. VPN services are not relevant. In order to keep the thread on focus, I asked that posts remain on topic. Not sure what your point is and why you'd quote me. We're in agreement. Why did you want my attention?This is why ProtonMail "merits" were stated
Are you confused about the word "merits" and the context in which I used it? Are you unfamiliar with the word's usage beyond meaning praise or esteem? Especially when stated in plural, it's often used to mean something else.The post is about "merits" and "risks" and not attention.
What is obvious is that a statement about what mail service is used by OCT - ProtonMail - should have been declared before "merits" were written by certain moderator. It constitutes a clear conflict of interest.
merits plural : the substance of a legal case apart from matters of jurisdiction, procedure, or form
often merits An aspect of character or behavior deserving approval or disapproval: judging people according to their merits.
- the actual and intrinsic rights and wrongs of an issue, esp in a law case, as distinct from extraneous matters and technicalities
- on its merits on the intrinsic qualities or virtues
This is the funniest part in all of this. Conflict of interests presumes two things: that there is a conflict (there isn't) and that there is an interest (there isn't). I'm just a moderator. All that's different between us is that I have the ability to delete posts (mostly spam ones) and on rare occasions warn/ban users for not following the forum rules. I have no say or stake in which email provider OCT uses.My post was about the conflict of interest which should have been stated.
No worries there. I'm fully aware you don't understand.just don't assume that your actions aren't understood.
What's more likely?
A moderator encouraging a thread remain on topic.
Or...
A moderator — paid off by Proton Mail — censoring a thread and astroturfing a thread to only be favorable for Proton Mail. This censorship and astroturfing taking the shape of doing absolutely nothing other than using an English 102 word like merits. Not a single post deleted. No warnings issued. No users banned.
Proton Mail is shaking at OCT allowing a thread critical of them to be around. I'm not going to get my Proton Mail shill check this month, am I?
It really merits some thought.
This is the funniest part in all of this. Conflict of interests presumes two things: that there is a conflict (there isn't) and that there is an interest (there isn't). I'm just a moderator. All that's different between us is that I have the ability to delete posts (mostly spam ones) and on rare occasions warn/ban users for not following the forum rules. I have no say or stake in which email provider OCT uses.
What's next? Do you think we'd also stifle discussions about Cloudflare since OCT uses them? Or discussions about Name.com, the domain registrar used? Check https://builtwith.com/offshorecorptalk.com for all the vendors of which the forum must only speak well. Come along and see how deep the rabbit hole of paranoid delusions goes.
No worries there. I'm fully aware you don't understand.
That's not usually how a thesaurus is used. I think you might be referring to a dictionary. Although it may contain additional information, a thesaurus is usually used for finding similar or related words. For example, if you look up the word amuse in a thesaurus, you will find words like charm, delight, gratify, and regale.Regarding merits - you should improve thesaurus
This makes me think that you have confused a thesaurus with a dictionary. What you are trying to do here is point to a single definition of a word in a dictionary."the quality of being particularly good or worthy, especially so as to deserve praise or reward."
Thanks, you too!Enjoy.