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Why don't you join forces and start your own EMI

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OK so here is a wild though :

Since most of you need a bank account, either personal or business, or a merchant account for your online business, why don't you simply join forces and start your own EMI ?

More than 50 % of the issues here are :

Crypto services looking for a bank account / payment gateways.
International customers looking to access EUR and USD.
Online businesses, regulated or not.
Online gambling and high risk industries.

With a contribution of 1000 Euro per person, you can get your EMI running within 3-6 months, and that money will be credited to your account balance upon formation.
 
>just simply join forces

Who will design and develop the reliable software and get all the necessary connections in the government and banks? Without these connections you will probably be waiting for the license for many years and get rejected in the end. Not even talking about plenty of other requirements.

If you start EMI you need sharp mind, deep pockets and good connections in the industry mate.
 
Starting an EMI requires much, much more than just a few strangers chipping in 1,000 EUR each. Although a big puzzle piece, funding is only one of many parts. You also need to arrange for compliance, employees, technology/product, and banking connections.

Good technology requires good developers. Good developers cost money but also need to find you interesting enough to work for.

Good banking connections requires good senior management and a strong compliance structure. Compliance requirements increase all the time and is already one of the biggest costs for running a financial institution.

Good product requires all of the above to come together.

Then you need customers and you need enough of them to generate enough income to keep the EMI from failing. Once you have customers, you're going to realise you need a customer service team as well.
 
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OK so here is a wild though :

Since most of you need a bank account, either personal or business, or a merchant account for your online business, why don't you simply join forces and start your own EMI ?

More than 50 % of the issues here are :

Crypto services looking for a bank account / payment gateways.
International customers looking to access EUR and USD.
Online businesses, regulated or not.
Online gambling and high risk industries.

With a contribution of 1000 Euro per person, you can get your EMI running within 3-6 months, and that money will be credited to your account balance upon formation.
You will now hear a million reasons why this can't be done :D People on this forum are generally suspicious, because, let's face it, people on this forum are into some suspicious stuff themselves... and it's generally a human trait to be sceptical ;)

But as an idea, it's a good one IMHO. You just need a strong leader to lead the way and organise people - and that is pretty hard.

Good luck and here's to summer coming :)
 
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Hi, we are interested to a) set up our own EMI (in theory) or b) Find a great White Label EMI. What we have is customers worldwide, Marketing and Success with another Product since 20 Years. We want to provide every country an European IBAN Account. All Ideas welcome.
 
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Hi, we are interested to a) set up our own EMI (in theory) or b) Find a great White Label EMI. What we have is customers worldwide, Marketing and Success with another Product since 20 Years. We want to provide every country an European IBAN Account. All Ideas welcome.
From my knowledge Globalnetint and Pervesk have some sort of Whitelabel services available to get an EMI agency.
Their current agents are listed under Intermediaries:
GlobalNetint, UAB
https://www.lb.lt/lt/finansu-rinku-dalyviai/uab-pervesk#item-contra-intermediaries
 
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What's the point to setup something white label?
From the users standpoint? Different pricing/different customer service experience. Often white labels can combine several different products on their platform and create quite a unique experience which can be as good or even better than the original. And since they are usually smaller, they can sometimes give more attention per customer and thus better support.

From a business perspective? An EMI license takes a lot of money to setup and operate. We are talking 300000 to a mil or more at the very least. With a lot more technology provision headaches, policy and legal setup etc. With a whitelabel, you can get by with a fraction of those sums and a good sales/support team and the potential revenue can be substantial.
 
In our case we do not want to go through the hassle to learn a business that we do not know, which is Banking. But we have Customers world wide, we have a good expertise in marketing and we want to offer them Bank Accounts that work for them in addition to our products. The Money laundring problem is in my humble opinion a huge mistake of governments that are trying to find criminals by arresting all people. Thats why our thought is to make this better, even if we do not know how yet. But what i wanted to say ist: Not everybody living in Kongo and buying a book in our online Shop is a criminal. I would even think from all the people worldwide buying books in our online shop, there will be only very few criminals and practically none of them is doing money laundry, but that is just an estimation. As a business being in business successfully for more than 20 years we have a very high interest to stay clean and not get any image of being a criminal organisation. In my experience Dealing w Banks they treat me as a criminal when working for a company based in Mauritius or Russia and they treat me as very integer person when working for a company from Germany or Switzerland. But i am always the same person.....
 
In our case we do not want to go through the hassle to learn a business that we do not know, which is Banking. But we have Customers world wide, we have a good expertise in marketing and we want to offer them Bank Accounts that work for them in addition to our products. The Money laundering problem is in my humble opinion a huge mistake of governments that are trying to find criminals by arresting all people. Thats why our thought is to make this better, even if we do not know how yet. But what i wanted to say ist: Not everybody living in Kongo and buying a book in our online Shop is a criminal. I would even think from all the people worldwide buying books in our online shop, there will be only very few criminals and practically none of them is doing money laundry, but that is just an estimation. As a business being in business successfully for more than 20 years we have a very high interest to stay clean and not get any image of being a criminal organization. In my experience Dealing w Banks they treat me as a criminal when working for a company based in Mauritius or Russia and they treat me as very integer person when working for a company from Germany or Switzerland. But i am always the same person.....
Fully agree with you, but for businesses it's a clear risk/reward factor. As you mentioned Kongo if lets say 50% or 20% of transactions are fraudulent, then it becomes a bad business strategy and thus you cut of your actual good customers from those regions.
Regarding banks it's similar. MLRO officers set the policy according to global trends and then the ones onboarding the companies just follow them.
 
If someone thinks he can make an EMI quickly, he's a dreamer. In addition to at least min. 2 million+ capital and sufficiently qualified staff, there is a lot of work. So good luck!
For an EMI that stands true, especially if you do not have a ton of previous experience. But for the EMI agent whitelabels I indeed know of some who were fully setup and active within a few months.
 
You will now hear a million reasons why this can't be done :D People on this forum are generally suspicious, because, let's face it, people on this forum are into some suspicious stuff themselves... and it's generally a human trait to be sceptical ;)

But as an idea, it's a good one IMHO. You just need a strong leader to lead the way and organise people - and that is pretty hard.

Good luck and here's to summer coming :)

hahahahaha. so true. love the paragraph in bold!! :))
 
Since most of you need a bank account, either personal or business, or a merchant account for your online business, why don't you simply join forces and start your own EMI ?

Operating an EMI is one of the lowest margin, most competitive and compliance heavy tech businesses one can think off. If you can find an EMI that makes any real money then you have found yourself a Laundromat or one with poor AML compliance or super high volumes. EMI's all end up burning through capital like crazy and then branching into other areas when reality hits them about the whole EMI business model.

Also when you got competition offering free EMI accounts and near free/low-cost wire transfers you better be willing to start an EMI with a solid game plan or customer base or your doomed before you even started.

P.S I am a natural skeptic ca#"!.
 
Operating an EMI is one of the lowest margin, most competitive and compliance heavy tech businesses one can think off. If you can find an EMI that makes any real money then you have found yourself a Laundromat or one with poor AML compliance or super high volumes. EMI's all end up burning through capital like crazy and then branching into other areas when reality hits them about the whole EMI business model.

Also when you got competition offering free EMI accounts and near free/low-cost wire transfers you better be willing to start an EMI with a solid game plan or customer base or your doomed before you even started.

P.S I am a natural skeptic ca#"!.
btw what about card acquiring business? is the situation dire as well in that industry?
 
OK so here is a wild though :

Since most of you need a bank account, either personal or business, or a merchant account for your online business, why don't you simply join forces and start your own EMI ?

More than 50 % of the issues here are :

Crypto services looking for a bank account / payment gateways.
International customers looking to access EUR and USD.
Online businesses, regulated or not.
Online gambling and high risk industries.

With a contribution of 1000 Euro per person, you can get your EMI running within 3-6 months, and that money will be credited to your account balance upon formation.
The idea can be interesting if you find people willing to invest a minimum capital of € 100K. per head. A minimum of 30 partners.
Most of the people in this forum and in many other forums are looking for a bank or an EMI that somehow does not share information and that is flexible within some possibilities within a framework of legality that allows them to operate with some flexibility, legal businesses but that many EMIs do not accept.
For this type of approach I do not think that an EMI in Europe is the most interesting since it will be subject to CRS in 95% of cases. And correspondent banks that are under the criteria of European compliance will not facilitate the work either.
For this type of entity that may interest many, it is best to create an IFE in Puerto Rico. It is the EMI version in offshore but in a territory that does not have CRS.
The OCIF establishes that the training can be done with a deposit capital of $ 300K as a guarantee fund, plus $ 250K of share capital initially disbursed.
The incorporation expenses with ITE , core banking, permits, governement fees, laywer fees, business plan, company formation, etc., can vary between 150 and 200K. This is the real first expenses
Once the license is obtained the difficult thing comes. To find a correspondent bank. Obviously it is not with a paid-up capital of $ 250k that they will accept to open an account. As a minimum, the company must demonstrate a minimum of $ 2M of capital reserves. If you don't want a correspondant bank and you prefer to be in the FED you will need to wait for 1 or 2 year. And with more complicated process, but you will not need to pay extra comissions to the corresponsal bank.
But it must also be said that this capital and the capital deposited as a guarantee fund are not expenses. They are deposits that can be invested bonds etc.
Operating expenses with a minimum required of 5 local employees, will start from 17K monthly with local, director, compliance, IT specialist, accountant, etc...
The benefits in the first months/year will be negative. And founders should approach this type of setup as a corporate tool for their own needs. Most of the Puerto Rican banks that are set up obtain benefits with high entrance fees and consistent monthly fees as well as commissions on cards, movements, etc. I know 2 banks than they ask 5000$ for entry, and per account
It must be necessary to have in mind that the clientele must be very well chosen and avoid, citizens of Russia, the USA (to avoid fatca problems), Venezuela, China, etc ..., that in case they could shoot the red flags of the FED controls.
There are several IFEs that have recently had problems hosting Maduro's money.
From here the topic is feasible. You just have to find 30 partners who contribute with minimum € 100K.
Currently there is a bank that is waiting for a license and raised capital through crowfunding. I mean arival bank.
Another one who is also waiting to receive a license is zenus
The business niche is mainly found in customers in Europe who want to avoid CRS and who want some flexibility in working within the limits and parameters set by compliance.