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Original message deleted midway due to autorefresh, sigh....

making a short version again (update , turned out even longer, sorry....)



ETH lost nearly 50% from cycle high not even reaching its last cycle ath, second deepest liquidity after bitcoin yet support was cut through like warm butter.



Worst existential crisis for ETH since the 2016 DAO hack. L1 usage/revenues collapsed, L2s are parasitic. VC sharks with competing L1 bags smelling blood and attacking it. Bullish structure broken, fundamentals under big question



Who ate ETH's lunch? Solana above all, by nearly every metric imaginable, sans TVL, where it is anyway catching up.



Yet

SOL has now lost nearly 50% from cycle high, which let's be honest was only above last cycle's ATH by a few percent a few times for a few minutes/hours, and daily candle never once closing above the old ATH -- that with literally the biggest ever historical event for crypto (launch of a memecoin by a celebrity billionaire US president aka the crypto president trump) in the backdrop and all the valhalla promises of ETFs, institutions, nation states, most pro-crypto us government ever (and probably the first crypto-friendly one).



With SOL you have obviously, poor decentralization (allegedly improved somewhat?), extractive parasitical scams facilitated by pumpfun, memecoins, and celebrity rugpulls (including the above trump coin) which are purely extractive, not reinvesting in ecosystem, and if scammers in old cycles used to hold majors they scammed from the public (bitcoin fork scammers held their BTC, ethereum ICO scammers held their ETH), solana scammers don't even hold their SOL, they dump it for USDC. (pumpfun founder, all these presidential ruggers, celebrities, since they never cared about crypto in the first place, just wanted it to extract money from fools). Also, solana beat ethereum by being better sharks with a sleek, fast and cheap L1. It can thus be itself devoured by some new shinier blockchain, SUI and Sonic are already eating solana's own lunch aggressively. What next? Will their ecosystem stakeholders be as loyal as ethereum ones in times of crisis? (ftx crash was the closest equivalent to the dao hack of ethereum for solana, since then many had a solid opportunity to exit)

then we have Bitcoin in the backdrop which is looking weak. MUCH BETTER than altcoins, sure, but still weak structure overall. Even last cycle it topped out way below everyone's expectations or S2F model predictions, which they keep adjusting since the actual price action doesn't fit their rainbow world anymore (and its main proponent btw literally posting he capitulated into converting his BTC to a bitcoin ETF lol wtf). Moving averages (e.g. MA99) have caught up with the current BTC prices, but instead of pumping, it bleeds out slowly, thus going below those MAs....

And then of course we have macro:

SPX/Nasdaq are at new ATHs, disconnecting further from both the fundamentals of the underlying companies and the state of US/global real economy. Every month, more indicators light up, comparing today to 1929, 1999 or 2007 (and surpassing in many cases). Then we have the US interest rates that are high and little prospect of going lower, Japanese interest rates going up and of course the political wildcard that is Trump, whose every word or threat of tariffs or radical action gives markets jitters. Not commenting on whether he is right or wrong, DC is probably supremely corrupt, but it is also probably so intertwined with many major US corporations that uncovering and publicising all that fraud and kickbacks will take down all those corporations and the stockmarket.

Again, from the Fight Club perspective let it all burn is cool, but i personally care more about what happens to my magic internet money.

Nothing has even happened yet (from the SPX/Nasdaq) perspective, but alts are already obliterated.

what happens to alts, if Bitcoin dives to low 90s or even low 80s, which it can easily do without even breaking the bullish macrostructure?

and what happens to both bitcoin and alts if SPX/Nasdaq starts correcting or, even worse, crashing?

I am curious about your take on what is happening.
What is your outlook, and what are your plans?

Cryptotwitter are all jeets, shills and clowns, zero perspective from any commentators or analysts there, feels like this cycle even those who used to be smart/sharp either got liquidated, got corrupted, became scammers or at best are genuinely clueless honestly trying to discuss the confusing picture they see, without becoming engagement farmers (very few of those, and they time and again are wrong, and even fewer of them have the guts to admit and own it).

The obvious, "you should have only bought Bitcoin" that everyone seems to be parroting is not helpful. Had I never touched alts, I would not have made it just by DCAing into BTC only. I still own BTC, which to be fair I always had the hardest time understanding. My life will thankfully therefore not change if alts go to zero, and BTC remains at current price levels.


My question if first and foremost about SOL, ETH. Maybe quality established majors, though at this stage I struggle to suggest which ones...
I got used to holding 95% drawdowns in crypto over the cycles, and typically the right coins rewarded diamond hands (not memecoins!), but now i wonder if conviction has become delusion.

And even those of you who are Bitcoin maxis, tell me this: altcoins mostly go to 0, because they depend a lot more on their devs / management, who by default will be self-interested and greedy and thus will corrupt their protocols and design/change tokenomics only to extract pure profit to insiders.

Bitcoin, being more pure and convervative, seems to have held its values better (again, many Bitcoin OGs would strongly disagree with it, and bitcoin civil wars demonstrated that ultimately, groups of people can exert control/hijack bitcoin, which was supposed to be a peer to peer digital cash solution). So it seems even with bitcoin it could be argued it has been corrupted, but as long as price only goes up, i guess all sins can be forgiven.

What if it stops going up? What if it gets properly hijacked by US gov't / wall street? Can huge single sellers (e.g. microstrategy) force a massive cascade down? Who will then buy? Can concentrated miners be forced to fork to new tokenomics? Why does blackrock have a disclaimer that 21 million bitcoin maximum threshold is not guaranteed? Why can't the same groups who suppressed gold and silver prices for years and decades, suppress bitcoin in the same way for years and decades? You can argue all you want that something is undervalued, but what matters is what price the market will give you for this asset when you need to sell it? There is a difference between waiting out a 1-2 year long bear cycle (which still requires financial planning) and waiting out for many years. What if you urgently need money for a new house when the old one is destroyed, what if your loved one needs urgent expensive medical care?

I absolutely treasure the censorship resistance Bitcoin has gifted us (and Ethereum had adhered to) and the fact that I don't have to appease the disgusting leeches that are bankers. At the same time, I am worried whether this time, they can hijack and destroy value of my beloved crypto.

On top of that we have some mild form of a dystopian world with decaying democracies, assertive autocracies, poor and/or arbitrary rule of law, total financial control, populism, extremism, nationalism and a good set of ingredients for a world war 3, with nowhere to run...

Will bitcoin preserve its store of value function, given what you observe on the fundamentals, price action, onchain, etc?

Sorry for the long message but wanted to be nuanced and looking for thoughful takes...
 
I wonder who is willing to read something that long ;) is there a TLDR version?
enough compressed discussions for me on twitter. Want a nuanced discussion

I am all for brevity, but some discussions do require nuances.


I spotted “Bitcoin looking weak” and I stopped reading rof/%
Open daily or weekly charts of bitcoin and tell me it doesn't look weak
 
enough compressed discussions for me on twitter. Want a nuanced discussion

I am all for brevity, but some discussions do require nuances.



Open daily or weekly charts of bitcoin and tell me it doesn't look weak

BTC does look weak, if you go by the charts (although I find charts akin to reading tea leaves):


But charts aside, BTC is weak also because it's simply a crappy crypto riding on a bubble of speculators.

It has no store of value, it performs poorly as a currency, and other cryptos are technologically superior. Just what is its worth beside being used as a pyramid scheme? I see none. If it were launched today, it would look like an amateur shitcoin.
 
Great Write up

To Answer your question ..
ETH is dying out , EF has no desire to further the project and obtusely switching from POW to POS was a big mistake . ETH will Continue to lose the dominance against BTC in the long run

SOL is the casino chips , Whenever there is a new gambling meta the SOL price will go up until some major Scam/ Rug pull accurse and everyone stops gambling for a bit Example FTX Saga

The Ai meta stood some ground for a bit Good projects came out of it , A lot of start ups started tokenizing and it was kind fun , then the Celebes /Trump Coin came up and everyone Bridged over to SOL to gamble( price peeked ) and it went down hill from there as everyone was prompting garbage and everything was bundled and value extracting from the SOL Ecosystem aka the trenches


SOL currently down for 3 reasons

1- Unlocks ( SOL and Malina token )
2- FTX paybacks
3- Huge scam Rug pull with Libra / the president of Argentina token .. 200m got sucked out of the eco system and everyone is involved including JUP and Metora + KOLs
Currently big drama and one kid holding the money hostage and the president is abt to get Impeached
So everyone taking a break from gambling .. everyone lost whatever they made with events leading up to trump coin. EVERYTHING WAS UP ( everyone knew trump coin was the top signal btw but we kept gambling anyways)


BTC will remain in a good position
always good to hold most of your crypto port in BTC

* There is alot can effect BTC and the market in General like the geopolitical issues in Europe and middle east
* Regulations ( this could be a + for BTC or could be -.. Depends on Trump )

Also worth looking in to Hype / Hyperliquid as the next GEN DEXs , Token will be competing in the top 5 imo
no one wants to KYC to trade anymore.

TRX will shine this Cycle IMO as its has crazy over all volumes compared to everyone else on the stable coins side. talks about bringing down the fees close to 0

Also this is personal opinion but we are due from some insane black swan event and Alot of people will get rekt

its hard to tale what's the safest thing to hold .. .. BTC ? maybe .. it make sense specially if they start printing
I still feel alot better holding BTC then cash


Hope this answer some of your questions, NONE OF THIS IS FINANCIAL ADVICE or should be taken seriously
 
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Great Write up
Thanks for reading
To Answer your question ..
ETH is dying out , EF has no desire to further the project and obtusely switching from POW to POS was a big mistake . ETH will Continue to lose the dominance against BTC in the long run
Sad but true
SOL is the casino chips , Whenever there is a new gambling meta the SOL price will go up until some major Scam/ Rug pull accurse and everyone stops gambling for a bit Example FTX Saga
Yes
The Ai meta stood some ground for a bit Good projects came out of it , A lot of start ups started tokenizing and it was kind fun
This meta (if you talk about AI agents) came and went so fast, it came almost out of nowhere, and did not overlap with the AI meta of post-chatGPT launch in 2023 (or was it 2024) when bittensor came out, render made its run and gpt-named crap pumped. So these new agentic ai coins were mostly missed by many serious analysts, and in terms of AI tech, most are vaporware. You needed to be either lowIQ or an insider to play them well.
Either way, they went down just about 30-45 days after going mainstream. Like an entire lifecycle compressed in a few short months
, then the Celebes /Trump Coin came up and everyone Bridged over to SOL to gamble( price peeked ) and it went down hill from there as everyone was prompting garbage and everything was bundled and value extracting from the SOL Ecosystem aka the trenches
Yes
SOL currently down for 3 reasons

1- Unlocks ( SOL and Malina token )
2- FTX paybacks
Aren't paybacks supposed to be bullish or at least neutral? Payout is in fiat, not SOL
3- Huge scam Rug pull with Libra / the president of Argentina token .. 200m got sucked out of the eco system and everyone is involved including JUP and Metora + KOLs
Currently big drama and one kid holding the money hostage and the president is abt to get Impeached
This is the worst
So everyone taking a break from gambling .. everyone lost whatever they made with events leading up to trump coin. EVERYTHING WAS UP ( everyone knew trump coin was the top signal btw but we kept gambling anyways)
Maybe because this epic historic event barely moved us to ATH, while widespread reports online suggested coinbase stopped processing SOL withdrawals due to running out of SOL? If anything, this sounded very bullish. Supply shocks like that preceded major pumps of BTC and ETH back in the day. That is what prevented me personally from identifying that moment as the top.
BTC will remain in a good position
always good to hold most of your crypto port in BTC

* There is alot can effect BTC and the market in General like the geopolitical issues in Europe and middle east
* Regulations ( this could be a + for BTC or could be -.. Depends on Trump )
Yeah, "depends on trump" worries me. Who knows where he stands to gain more...
Also worth looking in to Hype / Hyperliquid as the next GEN DEXs , Token will be competing in the top 5 imo
no one wants to KYC to trade anymore.
Don't you think this lack of KYC and their centralized setup + known founder can very easily make them a target for a strong regulatory enforcement?



TRX will shine this Cycle IMO as its has crazy over all volumes compared to everyone else on the stable coins side. talks about bringing down the fees close to 0
Interesting. Though the stablecoin adoption on TRX has barely benefitted anyone from Justin Sun. And I would definitely not risk having too much of my allocation in TRX. Not that it cannot pump of course, but he has proven himself as a dishonest actor over the many years.
Also this is personal opinion but we are due from some insane black swan event and Alot of people will get rekt
How soon? Crypto-specific black swan, or a broader global one?
its hard to tale what's the safest thing to hold .. .. BTC ? maybe .. it make sense specially if they start printing
I still feel alot better holding BTC then cash


Hope this answer some of your questions, NONE OF THIS IS FINANCIAL ADVICE or should be taken seriously
 
Btc dying, btc a ponzi etc… I recall I have heard this before in the last 15 years.
You can read other threads on the matter, for example
For sure btc will die again many other times in the future :D
Since you don't want to read my long thread, just read paragraphs 5 and 6 when counted from the bottom, and tell me why those questions would not concern you as a BTC holder.

BTW i have not previously called BTC a ponzi (though to an extent it is, but no less so than the US dollar or the US stockmarket), nor have I previously called BTC dead. That does not mean i will religiously believe in it without questioning.

The whole premise of bitcoin was originally to question every assumption btw...
 
Since you don't want to read my long thread, just read paragraphs 5 and 6 when counted from the bottom, and tell me why those questions would not concern you as a BTC holder.

BTW i have not previously called BTC a ponzi (though to an extent it is, but no less so than the US dollar or the US stockmarket), nor have I previously called BTC dead. That does not mean i will religiously believe in it without questioning.

The whole premise of bitcoin was originally to question every assumption btw...
Unfortunately you are still trapped in the 1btc=xUSD logic
Whereas what matters is 1btc=1btc

As to blackrock’s disclaimer, if you knew the SEC you would understand why it is required. But conspiracy theories are more attractive than lawyers’ statements.
 
bank notes, plastic payment card, HTTP, SMTP, keyboards, TV... all that would look like a laughable nonsense if launched today - but wait...
Perhaps. We'll have to see BTC's fate, I find it very risky while it's being used for a get rich quick scheme unlike those other things you listed.

I do hold some BTC as a free bet, but I realize that I'm not using it as a currency like it was designed for. If price collapses, I can take the hit. But it is definitely too risky as a store of value.
 
Since you don't want to read my long thread, just read paragraphs 5 and 6 when counted from the bottom, and tell me why those questions would not concern you as a BTC holder.

BTW i have not previously called BTC a ponzi (though to an extent it is, but no less so than the US dollar or the US stockmarket), nor have I previously called BTC dead. That does not mean i will religiously believe in it without questioning.

The whole premise of bitcoin was originally to question every assumption btw...
Don't Trust .. Verify
 
This meta (if you talk about AI agents) came and went so fast, it came almost out of nowhere, and did not overlap with the AI meta of post-chatGPT launch in 2023 (or was it 2024) when bittensor came out, render made its run and gpt-named crap pumped. So these new agentic ai coins were mostly missed by many serious analysts, and in terms of AI tech, most are vaporware. You needed to be either lowIQ or an insider to play them well.
Either way, they went down just about 30-45 days after going mainstream. Like an entire lifecycle compressed in a few short months
Crushed by the Celeb Meta , I think it will go back in play if we recover
we have to put the Libra bs behind us some how with a happy ending .. Hard to achieve but possible if Hayden play his cards right

Maybe because this epic historic event barely moved us to ATH, while widespread reports online suggested coinbase stopped processing SOL withdrawals due to running out of SOL? If anything, this sounded very bullish. Supply shocks like that preceded major pumps of BTC and ETH back in the day. That is what prevented me personally from identifying that moment as the top.
" we kept gambling anyway "
Don't you think this lack of KYC and their centralized setup + known founder can very easily make them a target for a strong regulatory enforcement?
Not anytime soon or ever ... Again depends on trump "regulations "
Interesting. Though the stablecoin adoption on TRX has barely benefitted anyone from Justin Sun. And I would definitely not risk having too much of my allocation in TRX. Not that it cannot pump of course, but he has proven himself as a dishonest actor over the many years.
Asia love TRX but yeah you dont have to make it part of your port unless you actively using the chain
How soon? Crypto-specific black swan, or a broader global one?
both ..
Probably Q2/Q3
 
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As to blackrock’s disclaimer, if you knew the SEC you would understand why it is required. But conspiracy theories are more attractive than lawyers’ statements.
I have been told enough times to just ignore it when it was my risk, and pointed enough times to "read the fine print mfer" when it was my right, to start taking lawyers' statements seriously.
They are a placeholder
Until they are not
 
I find it very risky while it's being used for a get rich quick scheme unlike those other things you listed.
you like to generalize, don't
even if true in some case so what?

I do hold some BTC as a free bet, but I realize that I'm not using it as a currency like it was designed for.
many things aren't used what they were designed for (not just Viagra)
doesn't matter who Satoshi was/were and what you can read in the white paper, despite I consider it one of the best human inventions of all times (if not number one as it changes literally everything) it doesn't mean he must have seen it all and predict what will happen 15 or 100 years later - it's no word of god, nothing is given, change is our only certainty and adaptation a necessity to survive

But it is definitely too risky as a store of value.
what is less risky? where do you hold your value?
cash? bank account? real estate? stock? bitcoin is superior and less risky... we can discuss this asset by asset
 
you like to generalize, don't
even if true in some case so what?


many things aren't used what they were designed for (not just Viagra)
doesn't matter who Satoshi was/were and what you can read in the white paper, despite I consider it one of the best human inventions of all times (if not number one as it changes literally everything) it doesn't mean he must have seen it all and predict what will happen 15 or 100 years later - it's no word of god, nothing is given, change is our only certainty and adaptation a necessity to survive


what is less risky? where do you hold your value?
cash? bank account? real estate? stock? bitcoin is superior and less risky... we can discuss this asset by asset
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you like to generalize, don't
even if true in some case so what?
So MLM or get rich quick schemes usually fail eventually.
many things aren't used what they were designed for (not just Viagra)
doesn't matter who Satoshi was/were and what you can read in the white paper, despite I consider it one of the best human inventions of all times (if not number one as it changes literally everything) it doesn't mean he must have seen it all and predict what will happen 15 or 100 years later - it's no word of god, nothing is given, change is our only certainty and adaptation a necessity to survive
If BTC was designed to be a currency but is being used as "digital gold" or even worse, a lottery ticket, it won't take much market changes to realize that BTC is nothing like a digital gold and is worth nothing.
what is less risky? where do you hold your value?
cash? bank account? real estate? stock? bitcoin is superior and less risky... we can discuss this asset by asset
None of these things are used a get rich quick scheme and none of those things are in a bubble like BTC. Only Nvidia comes close and I wouldn't touch that right now either, for the same reason.

These images simply show BTC is in bubble. It is not designed to be a speculation asset. I could have produced images like these for tulips.

If memory serves me correctly, BTC has had 2 crashes and winters so far - 2017-ish and 2021-ish. Who knows if the 3rd will be recovered from or will be its final death blow. All I know is that it's price is not based on it's technological superiority (there are better cryptos) or use case (BTC is not designed to be a lottery ticket).
 
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