Tried to open a Wyoming LLC, they asked for photo ID

[cherry]

I paid with a pre-paid debit card and the next day they emailed me to say they want a photo ID of the cardholder.

This undermines the whole purpose of being anonymous.

Formation company in question is Wyoming Registered Agent Services.

Has anyone else had problems paying for the LLC anonymously?

 

[lagloriacubana]

Yeah that is for anti-chargeback reasons. If someone tries to buy with a card and then does a chargeback saying "oh we did not do this transaction" then they can counter your dispute by saying this is the ID provided of the cardholder.

 

[cherry]

Yeah that is for anti-chargeback reasons. If someone tries to buy with a card and then does a chargeback saying "oh we did not do this transaction" then they can counter your dispute by saying this is the ID provided of the cardholder.

My god, so what's the point of the anonymity? They have your photo ID on file, there is now zero anonymity. It's full on KYC tyranny like the rest of them.

 

[Sols]

Something about your transaction seemed suspicious. Place a new order with someone else, and use billing details that don't trigger anti fraud systems.

Wait until you find out that you have to submit photo ID to FinCEN when you file BOI information for your LLC... Not sure a US LLC is what you think it is.

 

[cherry]

Something about your transaction seemed suspicious. Place a new order with someone else, and use billing details that don't trigger anti fraud systems.

Wait until you find out that you have to submit photo ID to FinCEN when you file BOI information for your LLC... Not sure a US LLC is what you think it is.

The formation company is supposed to cover that. Wyoming Registered Agent Services file their own BOI in place of us who order.

 

[aniglo22]

Did you use a VPN or a proxy server ? You may have triggered their anti-fraud system . Did you check your ip reputation ?

 

[MarkusCostigan]

Are there still any chickens convinced that opening a US LLC and remaining completely anonymous? Certainly not publicly viewable data... but not anonymous.

 

[cherry]

Did you use a VPN or a proxy server ? You may have triggered their anti-fraud system . Did you check your ip reputation ?

Yes I'm on ProtonVPN. Just did an IP reputation check and detections count was 3/78. Don't know if that's good or bad.

 

[aniglo22]

Yes I'm on ProtonVPN. Just did an IP reputation check and detections count was 3/78. Don't know if that's good or bad.

That's the reason , because you used a VPN to checkout .

 

[cherry]

Are there still any chickens convinced that opening a US LLC and remaining completely anonymous? Certainly not publicly viewable data... but not anonymous.

US LLCs vary greatly in anonymity. Wyoming LLCs are supposed to be an opportunity for anonymity. Nothing less than 100% anonymity will be acceptable.

 

[cherry]

That's the reason , because you used a VPN to checkout .

I would have thought the pre-paid debit card was a more likely trigger. But I have been blocked on other sites due to VPN, so it's possible. Are paid VPNs better ? Like Mullvad?

 

[MarkusCostigan]

US LLCs vary greatly in anonymity. Wyoming LLCs are supposed to be an opportunity for anonymity. Nothing less than 100% anonymity will be acceptable.

Nothing is 100% anonymous in Wyoming or anywhere else. They are selling you a dream that doesn't exist.

 

[aniglo22]

I would have thought the pre-paid debit card was a more likely trigger. But I have been blocked on other sites due to VPN, so it's possible. Are paid VPNs better ? Like Mullvad?

No you shouldn't use a VPN . Use a clean residential proxy .

 

[Forester]

The formation company is supposed to cover that. Wyoming Registered Agent Services file their own BOI in place of us who order.

Are you serious? Have they really informed you that they are intending to do this? (This is a break of the federal regulation, I am afraid.)

US LLCs vary greatly in anonymity. Wyoming LLCs are supposed to be an opportunity for anonymity. Nothing less than 100% anonymity will be acceptable.

In such a case, go away. You will also need some banking, I presume; and a trustworthy and reliable banking with 100% anonymity for a US LLC is a fata morgana.

I would have thought the pre-paid debit card was a more likely trigger. But I have been blocked on other sites due to VPN, so it's possible. Are paid VPNs better ? Like Mullvad?

Simply said, no – in this context.

 

[yngmind]

Don't use VPN services, if you don't want to leak your IP, use mobile/residential proxy/Starbucks Wi-Fi.

You will certainly have to disclose the UBO passport, and address.

I don't know what you have on your mind.

 

[cherry]

Are you serious? Have they really informed you that they are intending to do this? (This is a break of the federal regulation, I am afraid.)

Most Wyoming formation companies offer this service. If it were illegal, they'd have been shut down many years ago.

In such a case, go away. You will also need some banking, I presume; and a trustworthy and reliable banking with 100% anonymity for a US LLC is a fata morgana.

No need to be hostile. For banking that can't be traced to you, there are services on this forum who offer opportunities if you do it in a smart way. If you go around with a mindset that something can't be done, you only make it true for yourself. It is a self-defeating attitude. To that end, I'm going to try again:

Using deduction, I'll first use a residential proxy. If that fails, the pre-paid card is the culprit. I used Wyoming Registered Agent Services but if it is the pre-paid card they don't accept, I do know someone who used WyomingLLCAttorney with the same pre-paid card service I used, so I'll try them next. The problem I saw with the pre-paid card is it had a funny name as the card holder, instead of "John Smith".

You will certainly have to disclose the UBO passport, and address.

Wyoming formation companies do that for you.

 

[yngmind]

Wyoming formation companies do that for you.

Yeah, but you have to give them your details.

 

[yngmind]

Most Wyoming formation companies offer this service. If it were illegal, they'd have been shut down many years ago.

Filling something for you is completely legal, I think there was some misunderstanding.

 

[cherry]

If it is the VPN, I don't understand why that would bother a formation company. My hunch is it was the pre-paid card with a funny name. Or maybe both.

Filling something for you is completely legal, I think there was some misunderstanding.

You can give them any name and address for internal records because they can't check citizen records in other countries, although officially you're "supposed to" give your real name. But for filing the BOI with the state, they essentially provide a nominee service.

 

[ilke]

You can give them any name and address for internal records because they can't check citizen records in other countries, although officially you're "supposed to" give your real name.

This is theoretically correct as there are not really complex AML/KYC laws applicable to registered agents in Wyoming (only quite basic ones).

But for filing the BOI with the state, they essentially provide a nominee service.

The BOI is not filed with the state. The BOI is not publicly available but must be filed.

The BOI cannot be filed with a nominee service; in fact, this is the whole premise of identifying a beneficial owner rather than solely a listed filer/member.

A wilful violation of the BOI requirements (such as filing a nominee or its equivalent as the beneficial owner) is punishable by $500 per day, adjusted yearly for inflation, currently adjusted to $591 per day, plus additional criminal punishments up to $10,000 and 2 years of imprisonment.

Please examine United States law prior to registering limited liability companies you do not know not how to properly manage.