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Hello to all and Merry Christmas,
I know that this is a topic that have discussed several times, but I'd like to take a decision especially now that the year is changing.

Concept:
Thai tax resident, having one (or more) offshore companies (Seychelles, BVI, UAE all totally independend between them) servicing EU customers (IT - software - licenses etc - no hardware). Most companies have local directors, others have directors & shareholders). Income goes from company offshore account to offshore account of owner as dividends (100% shareholder, or director and shareholder).
No remitance inside Thailand at all, no cards to remit etc. Nothing gets in Thailand. NO crypto etc, all are clear business IT.
The companies are not related between them (maybe have same customers, and same real owner). Not doing any job between them etc.
As far as I am informed from several info, accountants etc, there is no any obligation to pay any Thai tax as no income ever came to Thailand, no relation at all with Thailand (besides the thai tax resident owner), no customers in Thailand, no remitances, no employees etc.
Some others say that can create risks for tax.
I want to be 100% safe & legal on this, that there is no tax obligation and/any risk.

Questions / concerns:

1) Is that safe? Any gap here? anything to worry about?
2) I see many advisors suggest HK structure (i.e. BVI owns HK and HK pays the owner) - I understand this is for remitance cases which I don't care at all (I don't need / want / will NOT want to remit any amount in Thailand).
3) Suggestions?

Thank you all!
 
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JackieTsan said:
Hello to all and Merry Christmas,
I know that this is a topic that have discussed several times, but I'd like to take a decision especially now that the year is changing.

Concept:
Thai tax resident, having one (or more) offshore companies (Seychelles, BVI, UAE all totally independend between them) servicing EU customers (IT - software - licenses etc - no hardware). Most companies have local directors, others have directors & shareholders). Income goes from company offshore account to offshore account of owner as dividends (100% shareholder, or director and shareholder).
No remitance inside Thailand at all, no cards to remit etc. Nothing gets in Thailand. NO crypto etc, all are clear business IT.
The companies are not related between them (maybe have same customers, and same real owner). Not doing any job between them etc.
As far as I am informed from several info, accountants etc, there is no any obligation to pay any Thai tax as no income ever came to Thailand, no relation at all with Thailand (besides the thai tax resident owner), no customers in Thailand, no remitances, no employees etc.
Some others say that can create risks for tax.
I want to be 100% safe & legal on this, that there is no tax obligation and/any risk.

Questions / concerns:

1) Is that safe? Any gap here? anything to worry about?
2) I see many advisors suggest HK structure (i.e. BVI owns HK and HK pays the owner) - I understand this is for remitance cases which I don't care at all (I don't need / want / will NOT want to remit any amount in Thailand).
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what money do you live on while in Thailand? in case its not barfines ;)
 
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Happy new year to you too. I think your setup is safe and legal for the time being, however:
JackieTsan said:
1) Is that safe? Any gap here? anything to worry about?
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The worry would be if the new proposal to tax worldwide income regardless of remittance passes this year.

Here's a recent article on the topic: https://www.aseanbriefing.com/news/...aul-implications-for-residents-and-investors/
Under the proposed amendments, however, residents would be liable to pay taxes on their worldwide income, whether or not it is remitted to Thailand. This fundamental shift means that individuals—both Thai nationals and expatriates—would face obligations to report and pay taxes on foreign earnings, even if those earnings remain outside Thailand.
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Enforcement may be lacking but if you want a strictly legal setup you may need to reassess the dividend strategy. Perhaps save them up in the company, and take one year where you spend less than 180 days and pay out a larger chunk.
 
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pomo said:
Happy new year to you too. I think your setup is safe and legal for the time being, however:

The worry would be if the new proposal to tax worldwide income regardless of remittance passes this year.

Here's a recent article on the topic: https://www.aseanbriefing.com/news/...aul-implications-for-residents-and-investors/

Enforcement may be lacking but if you want a strictly legal setup you may need to reassess the dividend strategy. Perhaps save them up in the company, and take one year where you spend less than 180 days and pay out a larger chunk.
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changing this will take many years, like 5 or so, especially in such places.
 
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JackAlabama said:
there was ample talk on this here. these things are not the same.
Plus Malaysia remains as is until 2036, the easy fix is right there.
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Can’t agree more! And Indonesia has a new visa that gives full tax exemption for four years (Japan 5 years too if you’re interested).
Yes Thailand might implement the worldwide tax very fsst; did you see getting in briks from Jan 1st, and the corporate tax too. I wonder how this will benefit Thailand but in any case it’s not my country (unfortunately), and will never be, as we can’t easily get passport, rights, land, healthcare, etc.
I’ve checked several countries, so far my movement will be Malaysia immediately when Thailand will announce worldwide tax. Alternative is Philippines which is amazing and extremely beautiful too. Malaysia’s PM proved to be insanely clever to announce 10 years more tax exemption, and I personally know many high wealthy individuals that moved last 3 weeks from Germany and Switzerland to Malaysia.
 
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JackieTsan said:
Can’t agree more! And Indonesia has a new visa that gives full tax exemption for four years (Japan 5 years too if you’re interested).
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what visa is that? do you have a link to this?
JackieTsan said:
Yes Thailand might implement the worldwide tax very fsst; did you see getting in briks from Jan 1st, and the corporate tax too. I wonder how this will benefit Thailand but in any case it’s not my country (unfortunately), and will never be, as we can’t easily get passport, rights, land, healthcare, etc.
I’ve checked several countries, so far my movement will be Malaysia immediately when Thailand will announce worldwide tax. Alternative is Philippines which is amazing and extremely beautiful too. Malaysia’s PM proved to be insanely clever to announce 10 years more tax exemption, and I personally know many high wealthy individuals that moved last 3 weeks from Germany and Switzerland to Malaysia.
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JackieTsan said:
@JackAlabama I read for 4 years and 5 years.

I’ve checked locally there the 4 years, is called digital worker visa and is amazing, fully tax free (research first please).
Also kindly check this https://soynomadafiscal.com/en/bali-digital-nomad-visa/

If you google Indonesia 4 years tax free visa you’ll see a few posts (and some for the 5 years).

Thank you @JackAlabama
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the linked page says: "(still in development phase and without an official launch date yet)"
 
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pomo said:
the linked page says: "(still in development phase and without an official launch date yet)"
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it’s active, google and search for visa agents in Indonesia and chat with them, it’s up and running as many told me (the 4 years visa).
 
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