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I would like to share my research about data exchange between countries.

I have discovered that many times the fear from people interested in Offshore were not justified.

When no agreements are in place between countries, no data exchange is performed.

TIEA or DTA:
When there is an agreement, data exchange occurs only under precise circumstances.
For instance with TIEA agreements (tax information exchange agreement) or DTA (double taxation agreement), a country can only ask the data of one person in particular including its address and the date period for gathering corporate tax information. A country can't ask for the information from all the people from one nationality. Anyways nationality is not a requested field because they look for fiscal residents. The fields to find someone are First name, surname, address, country.
Plus, the country that issues the request has to pay the other country for this request.

Automated exchange:
With the automated exchange under OCDE agreements, banks should only issue bank information to the country of a non resident if he/she is the beneficial owner of corporate account exceeding 250,000 USD

Justice cooperation:
Outside of that, there is a International Justice cooperation, it is changing from country to country. Many countries like Panama don't cooperate when there is a problem with one of their companies. International justice requests go through Interpol and then it is received by a Local judge in the jurisdiction of the country where the company resides. Then, the Judge decides to open a local case for it or dismiss the request. It seems to be the most dangerous but it is the one that is the less likely to happen and to succeed because the criminal law has to be the same in the country that issue the complaint and the country that receives the complaint. For instance, let's imagine someone in France considers that a US company is doing hate speech online, they issue an international notice at Interpol, then when a US judge receives the request it dismisses it because of the 1st amendement free speech. That's an example but it works in different cases.

I am sorry i don't know anything about FATCA.
 
With the automated exchange under OCDE agreements, banks should only issue bank information to the country of a non resident if he/she is the beneficial owner of corporate account exceeding 250,000 USD
This is some of the best news I have read for a long time in all of these negative posts about the ever changing tax world and the information exchange agreements that get extended almost every months worldwidethu&¤#
 
This is some of the best news I have read for a long time in all of these negative posts about the ever changing tax world and the information exchange agreements that get extended almost every months worldwidethu&¤#

Btw, i took the time to read the book from OCDE about it. For you information, those agreements between countries to make the automated data exchange operational have started in 2009 and they are all the same.
 
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So more info about this, please, what is considered pre-existing account, that means a company registered before what date?

"Entity Accounts Not Required to Be Reviewed, Identified or Reported.
Unless the Reporting
Financial Institution elects otherwise, either with respect to all Preexisting Entity Accounts or,
separately, with respect to any clearly identified group of such accounts,
a Pre existing Entity
Account with an account balance or value that does not exceed $250,000 as of 31 December
[xxxx], is not required to be reviewed, identified, or reported as a Reportable Account until the
account balance or value exceeds $250,000 as of the last day of any subsequent calendar year.

B.
Entity Accounts Subject to Review.
A Preexisting Entity Account that has an account balance
or value that exceeds $250,000 as of 31 December [xxxx], and a Preexisting Entity Account that
does not exceed $250,000 as
of 31 December [xxxx] but the account balance or value of which
exceeds $250,000 as of the last day of any subsequent calendar year, must be reviewed in
accordance with the procedures set forth in paragraph D.
C.
Entity Accounts With Respect to Which Reporting Is Required.
With respect to Preexisting
Entity Accounts described in paragraph B, only accounts that are held by one or more Entities
that are Reportable Persons, or by Passive NFEs with one or more Controlling Persons who are
Reportable Persons
, shall be treated as Reportable Accounts."
 
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So more info about this, please, what is considered pre-existing account, that means a company registered before what date?

"Entity Accounts Not Required to Be Reviewed, Identified or Reported.
Unless the Reporting
Financial Institution elects otherwise, either with respect to all Preexisting Entity Accounts or,
separately, with respect to any clearly identified group of such accounts,
a Pre existing Entity
Account with an account balance or value that does not exceed $250,000 as of 31 December
[xxxx], is not required to be reviewed, identified, or reported as a Reportable Account until the
account balance or value exceeds $250,000 as of the last day of any subsequent calendar year.

B.
Entity Accounts Subject to Review.
A Preexisting Entity Account that has an account balance
or value that exceeds $250,000 as of 31 December [xxxx], and a Preexisting Entity Account that
does not exceed $250,000 as
of 31 December [xxxx] but the account balance or value of which
exceeds $250,000 as of the last day of any subsequent calendar year, must be reviewed in
accordance with the procedures set forth in paragraph D.
C.
Entity Accounts With Respect to Which Reporting Is Required.
With respect to Preexisting
Entity Accounts described in paragraph B, only accounts that are held by one or more Entities
that are Reportable Persons, or by Passive NFEs with one or more Controlling Persons who are
Reportable Persons
, shall be treated as Reportable Accounts."

company registered before the 31st december 2015

Here is the guidance from a jurisdiction that knows this subject pretty well !

http://tia.gov.ky/pdf/CRS/CRS_Guidance_Notes.pdf
 
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So what you mean is that personal information will be reported if the company is registered aftet Dec. 2015 means if we register a company now our data will be reported? And if so, will it get reported to where the company is registered or to the beneficial owners country of citizens?
 
So what you mean is that personal information will be reported if the company is registered aftet Dec. 2015 means if we register a company now our data will be reported? And if so, will it get reported to where the company is registered or to the beneficial owners country of citizens?

here we discussed it: AEOI - beneficial owner reporting?

it seems to me that there is still some uncertainty wether the bank will report to company or fiscal country, I guess only the bank who sends the info can assist on this matter, and they should do exactly as they inform the client.
 
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here we discussed it: AEOI - beneficial owner reporting?

it seems to me that there is still some uncertainty wether the bank will report to company or fiscal country, I guess only the bank who sends the info can assist on this matter, and they should do exactly as they inform the client.
It's pretty simple to ask the bank or tell the agent to ask the bank so he can get back to you with a real answer!
 
Are you 100% sure that nothing get reported if we are below the 250k ?
From what I can tell, the bank is not required to report below 250K, however, that jurisdiction or bank may still choose to do so. I've read limits as low as 50k though nothing concrete. Best to ask the bank in question to be sure.
 
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