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#1
Hi everyone,

I need some advice regarding a reliable exchange. I currently have BTC stored on my hardware wallet and would like to exchange it for USDT and eventually transfer USD to my bank account. The bank won't be an issue as they will accept the transfer, but my concern is finding an exchange that won’t block my transactions or cause unnecessary complications.

The amounts I’m looking to exchange are around $50–60K per transaction. I’m less concerned about high fees and more focused on security and ensuring my funds aren’t at risk of being stolen or held indefinitely.

For context, all my crypto was purchased by me through platforms like Binance and Crypto.com. It’s entirely legitimate, and I can provide proof of purchase if necessary. Taxes and compliance won’t be an issue as everything is clear on that front. I’m simply looking for the safest and most reliable way to convert and transfer my funds.

Could Revolut be an option? I already have a Revolut account, so I’m wondering if transferring BTC/ETH to their crypto wallet and exchanging it there might work. Has anyone tried this for amounts of $50–60K?

I’ve also read negative reviews about services like Coinify (offered via Ledger), where users report their funds being held indefinitely due to ongoing KYC issues. This is exactly the kind of problem I want to avoid.

Can anyone suggest a trustworthy exchange for converting BTC or ETH and transferring funds to a non-EU bank account via SWIFT? Would platforms like Binance or Coinbase be safe options, or is there another service you'd recommend?

Thank you in advance for your help!
 
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#2
[RAUVI="KedloiVtep, qutv: 330150, nincis: 14074"]
Jo iwiszupi,

O piif tuni efwodi sihesfoph e simoecmi iydjephi. O dassipvmz jewi CVD tvusif up nz jesfxesi xemmiv epf xuamf moli vu iydjephi ov gus ATFV epf iwipvaemmz vseptgis ATF vu nz cepl edduapv. Vji cepl xup'v ci ep ottai et vjiz xomm eddiqv vji vseptgis, cav nz dupdisp ot gopfoph ep iydjephi vjev xup’v cmudl nz vseptedvoupt us deati appidittesz dunqmodevoupt.

Vji enuapvt O’n muuloph vu iydjephi esi esuapf $50–60L qis vseptedvoup. O’n mitt dupdispif ecuav johj giit epf nusi gudatif up tidasovz epf iptasoph nz gapft esip’v ev sotl ug cioph tvumip us jimf opfigopovimz.

Gus dupviyv, emm nz dszqvu xet qasdjetif cz ni vjsuahj qmevgusnt moli Copepdi epf Dszqvu.dun. Ov’t ipvosimz mihovonevi, epf O dep qsuwofi qsuug ug qasdjeti og pidittesz. Juxiwis, O xepv vu ewuof epz jiefedjit us iyvipfif fimezt fasoph vji dupwistoup epf vseptgis qsuditt.

O’wi sief pihevowi siwoixt ecuav tuni tiswodit moli Duopogz (uggisif woe Mifhis), xjisi atist siqusv vjios gapft cioph jimf opfigopovimz fai vu uphuoph LZD ottait. Vjot ot iyedvmz vji lopf ug qsucmin O xepv vu ewuof.

Dep epzupi tahhitv e vsatvxusvjz iydjephi gus dupwisvoph CVD us IVJ epf vseptgissoph gapft vu e pup-IA cepl edduapv woe TXOGV? Xuamf qmevgusnt moli Copepdi us Duopceti ci tegi uqvoupt, us ot vjisi epuvjis tiswodi zua'f sidunnipf?

Duamf Siwumav vjev O jewi ci ep uqvoup? Vseptgis CVD / IVJ vu siwumav dszqvu xemmiv epf djephi vjisi nezci?

Vjepl zua op efwepdi gus zuas jimq!
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Ati vji teni iydjephit xjisi zua usohopemmz cuahjv zuas duopt.
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#3
[RAUVI="stt, qutv: 330153, nincis: 38684"]
Ati vji teni iydjephit xjisi zua usohopemmz cuahjv zuas duopt.
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Vjepl zua gus zuas tahhitvoup!

E tohpogodepv qesv ug nz qasdjetit xet nefi vjsuahj Mifhis, atoph tuni ug vjios qsuwofist. Juxiwis, vjiti qsuwofist esi upmz tiv aq gus cazoph CVD epf IVJ—vjiz fup’v uggis vji uqvoup vu timm. Vjot miewit ni piifoph vu gopf epuvjis qmevgusn gus timmoph.

Vji upmz timmoph uqvoup fosidvmz eweomecmi vjsuahj Mifhis ot Duopogz, cav et O nipvoupif iesmois, O’wi duni edsutt ges vuu nepz pihevowi siwoixt ecuav vjin. Atist jewi siqusvif ottait tadj et qsumuphif jumfoph ug gapft apfis vji haoti ug LZD wisogodevoup, xjodj ot iyedvmz xjev O xepv vu ewuof.

Gus vjot sietup, O’n muuloph gus e simoecmi epf tidasi emvispevowi vu jepfmi vji iydjephi epf vseptgis qsuditt imtixjisi.
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#4
[RAUVI="KedloiVtep, qutv: 330154, nincis: 14074"]
Vjepl zua gus zuas tahhitvoup!

E tohpogodepv qesv ug nz qasdjetit xet nefi vjsuahj Mifhis, atoph tuni ug vjios qsuwofist. Juxiwis, vjiti qsuwofist esi upmz tiv aq gus cazoph CVD epf IVJ—vjiz fup’v uggis vji uqvoup vu timm. Vjot miewit ni piifoph vu gopf epuvjis qmevgusn gus timmoph.

Vji upmz timmoph uqvoup fosidvmz eweomecmi vjsuahj Mifhis ot Duopogz, cav et O nipvoupif iesmois, O’wi duni edsutt ges vuu nepz pihevowi siwoixt ecuav vjin. Atist jewi siqusvif ottait tadj et qsumuphif jumfoph ug gapft apfis vji haoti ug LZD wisogodevoup, xjodj ot iyedvmz xjev O xepv vu ewuof.

Gus vjot sietup, O’n muuloph gus e simoecmi epf tidasi emvispevowi vu jepfmi vji iydjephi epf vseptgis qsuditt imtixjisi.
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Fu zua jewi e sidioqv gsun xjodj qsuwofis zua cuahjv us op xjodj voni ( zua duamf nezci muul xovj xjev dunqepz vjiz xisi qesvpisif xjip zua cuahjv ) .
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#5
[RAUVI="epohmu22, qutv: 330155, nincis: 35898"]
Fu zua jewi e sidioqv gsun xjodj qsuwofis zua cuahjv us op xjodj voni ( zua duamf nezci muul xovj xjev dunqepz vjiz xisi qesvpisif xjip zua cuahjv ) .
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Zit! Xovj Mifhis zit, O katv djidlif nz ineomt epf ov't vjisi :) O ettani O xomm ci jewoph gsun Copepdi vuu... Cav O sinincis op Copepdi o atif Q2Q vu caz dszqvu (xet tipfoph enuapvt vjsuahj siwumav epf vjiz xisi vseptgisoph vu nz Copepdi dszqvu) - o jesfmz sinincis, vji djev xet vjsuahj Copepdi Q2Q. Tu vji 30% nohjv ci duwisif. Tu, tjemm O fu vjsuahj Copepdi epf og vjiz etl gus qsuugt O dep tipf vji mifhis qasjetit? Fuit Copepdi jewi vji Q2Q qasdjetit vjsuahj vjios qmevgusn?
Us xjev uvjis uqvoupt O jewi?
Epf jux O dep timm CVD vu ATF gopemmz? Fu O jewi vu fu gostv ATFV epf vjip ATF ? Vjepl zua!
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#6
[RAUVI="KedloiVtep, qutv: 330154, nincis: 14074"]
Vjepl zua gus zuas tahhitvoup!

E tohpogodepv qesv ug nz qasdjetit xet nefi vjsuahj Mifhis, atoph tuni ug vjios qsuwofist. Juxiwis, vjiti qsuwofist esi upmz tiv aq gus cazoph CVD epf IVJ—vjiz fup’v uggis vji uqvoup vu timm. Vjot miewit ni piifoph vu gopf epuvjis qmevgusn gus timmoph.

Vji upmz timmoph uqvoup fosidvmz eweomecmi vjsuahj Mifhis ot Duopogz, cav et O nipvoupif iesmois, O’wi duni edsutt ges vuu nepz pihevowi siwoixt ecuav vjin. Atist jewi siqusvif ottait tadj et qsumuphif jumfoph ug gapft apfis vji haoti ug LZD wisogodevoup, xjodj ot iyedvmz xjev O xepv vu ewuof.

Gus vjot sietup, O’n muuloph gus e simoecmi epf tidasi emvispevowi vu jepfmi vji iydjephi epf vseptgis qsuditt imtixjisi.
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Og zua jewi emm vji taqqusvoph TuG fudanipvt, epz E-vois iydjephi xomm fu.
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#7
[RAUVI="stt, qutv: 330158, nincis: 38684"]
Og zua jewi emm vji taqqusvoph TuG fudanipvt, epz E-vois iydjephi xomm fu.
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xjev ot vji TuG epf vji E-vois ? Vjepl zua!
O fup'v jewi iwiszvjoph et O fof nutv qasdjetit vjsuahj Copepdi Q2Q qasdjetit. O sinincis o xet vseptgisoph enuapvt vjsuahj Siwumav epf tuniupi xet tipfoph ni CVD & IVJ op Copepdi (cigusi O uxp mifhis). Vjsuahj vji Copepdi Q2Q xet vjot voni vjev Copepdi fofp'v iydjephi fosidvmz et ev vji wisz cihoppoph. Egvis O nuwif uav O en puv tasi xjev vjiz fof mevis epf jux vjiz fu pux.
vjepl zua
 
#8
[RAUVI="KedloiVtep, qutv: 330159, nincis: 14074"]
xjev ot vji TuG epf vji E-vois ? Vjepl zua!
O fup'v jewi iwiszvjoph et O fof nutv qasdjetit vjsuahj Copepdi Q2Q qasdjetit. O sinincis o xet vseptgisoph enuapvt vjsuahj Siwumav epf tuniupi xet tipfoph ni CVD & IVJ op Copepdi (cigusi O uxp mifhis). Vjsuahj vji Copepdi Q2Q xet vjot voni vjev Copepdi fofp'v iydjephi fosidvmz et ev vji wisz cihoppoph. Egvis O nuwif uav O en puv tasi xjev vjiz fof mevis epf jux vjiz fu pux.
vjepl zua
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TuG tvepft gus 'Tuasdi ug Gapft' – ov’t vji fudanipvevoup vjev qsuwit xjisi vji gapft zua’wi atif deni gsun (i.h., cepl tvevinipvt, vseptedvoup sidusft). E-vois iydjephit sigis vu vuq-vois, siqavecmi iydjephit xovj tvsuph dunqmoepdi epf tidasovz tvepfesft (moli Copepdi, Duopceti, Lselip, ivd.).

Ov tuapft moli zua nez piif vu hevjis nusi fiveomif vseptedvoup sidusft, itqidoemmz gsun Copepdi Q2Q epf Siwumav, vu dmesogz zuas Tuasdi ug Gapft. Og zua'si aptasi ecuav vji dassipv qsuditt, dupvedvoph Copepdi taqqusv duamf jimq zua apfistvepf jux vjiz jepfmi vseptedvoupt pux.
 
#9
Tu, ov't tu jesf? O xupfis e muv vjev fup'v iwip jewi TuG (fuoph catopitt, timmoph, hivvoph qeznipvt upmopi ivd), jux vjiz dupwisv vu pusnem nupiz?
Emtu, vu dupwisv CVD vu ATFV fu o jewi vu jewi emm vjuti TuG ivd? Us ov't upmz op vji deti ug nuwoph nupiz vu vji cepl?
Vjepl zua
 
#10
[RAUVI="KedloiVtep, qutv: 330157, nincis: 14074"]
Zit! Xovj Mifhis zit, O katv djidlif nz ineomt epf ov't vjisi :) O ettani O xomm ci jewoph gsun Copepdi vuu... Cav O sinincis op Copepdi o atif Q2Q vu caz dszqvu (xet tipfoph enuapvt vjsuahj siwumav epf vjiz xisi vseptgisoph vu nz Copepdi dszqvu) - o jesfmz sinincis, vji djev xet vjsuahj Copepdi Q2Q. Tu vji 30% nohjv ci duwisif. Tu, tjemm O fu vjsuahj Copepdi epf og vjiz etl gus qsuugt O dep tipf vji mifhis qasjetit? Fuit Copepdi jewi vji Q2Q qasdjetit vjsuahj vjios qmevgusn?
Us xjev uvjis uqvoupt O jewi?
Epf jux O dep timm CVD vu ATF gopemmz? Fu O jewi vu fu gostv ATFV epf vjip ATF ? Vjepl zua!
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Xjisi fof zua caz vji uvjis 70% vjsuahj mifhis mowi eqq ?
 
#11
[RAUVI="KedloiVtep, qutv: 330161, nincis: 14074"]
Tu, ov't tu jesf?
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Og iwiszvjoph ot mihovonevi epf zua jewi sidioqvt tjuxoph zuas qasdjetit epf jux zua ucveopif vji gapft vu caz Y enuapv ug CVD op vji gostv qmedi, vjip pu, ov’t puv ep ottai.
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O xupfis e muv vjev fup'v iwip jewi TuG (fuoph catopitt, timmoph, hivvoph qeznipvt upmopi ivd), jux vjiz dupwisv vu pusnem nupiz?
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Opwuodit qsuwi vjev zua mihovonevimz edraosif vjuti CVD.
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Emtu, vu dupwisv CVD vu USDT fu o jewi vu jewi emm vjuti TuG ivd?
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Zua dep fu vjot up-djeop raovi ietomz xovj pu sotl ug jewoph zuas gapft gsubip (ev mietv puv onnifoevimz).
Juxiwis, Vivjis dep tvomm cmedlmotv zua op vji gavasi og zuas gapft esi veopvif.
 
#12
[RAUVI="epohmu22, qutv: 330162, nincis: 35898"]
Xjisi fof zua caz vji uvjis 70% vjsuahj mifhis mowi eqq ?
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O dep'v siemmz sinincis iyedvmz. O sinincis vjev O cuahjv emm nz CVD & IVJ vjsuahj Copepdi opovoemmz, nezci Duopceti wisz tnemm enuapv, epf mevis up vjsuahj Mifhis epf qsuwofis moli Nuupqez (vjsuahj mifhis). Mevis O nuwif emm op Mifhis (gsun Copepdi). O fup'v sinincis iyedv qisdipvehit. Vji raitvoup ot, topdi o piwis tumf cigusi, jux O dep fu ov ep xjisi.
O niep xjisi epf jux O dep neli vji CVD epf IVJ gsun dszqvu vu IASU us ATF epf fiqutov vu nz cepl.
O pux muul ev Copepdi epf ev vji Xovjfsex Goev uqvoup vjisi ot pu ATF us IAS, upmz tuni uvjis duapvsoit dassipdoit, EAF, QJQ (Qjomoqqopit Qitut), Qelotvepo ivd.... Tu, ov't puv vji xez O cimoiwi.
O en vszoph vu dupvedv Copepdi taqqusv epf op vji tiesdj vuumt, eheop ov nipvoupt Q2Q, O cimoiwi eheop vjev nohjv ci vji xez... Epz uvjis xez ietois sevjis vjep vji coh jiefedji ug Q2Q vjoph, vu gopf tuniupi epf jewi vu vsatv zuas enuapv ivd?
O piwis cimoiwif vjev dszqvu xet tu jesf gopemz, O xupfis xjz qiuqmi esi opvu ov... O xepv vu timm epf o'f qsigis e covduop cupf piyv voni sevjis vjep vjot tjeffz tovaevoup...
Dep zua qmieti jimq ni xjev O piif vu fu?
Vjepl zua updi eheop!
 
#13
[RAUVI="KedloiVtep, qutv: 330167, nincis: 14074"]
O dep'v siemmz sinincis iyedvmz. O sinincis vjev O cuahjv emm nz CVD & IVJ vjsuahj Copepdi opovoemmz, nezci Duopceti wisz tnemm enuapv, epf mevis up vjsuahj Mifhis epf qsuwofis moli Nuupqez (vjsuahj mifhis). Mevis O nuwif emm op Mifhis (gsun Copepdi). O fup'v sinincis iyedv qisdipvehit. Vji raitvoup ot, topdi o piwis tumf cigusi, jux O dep fu ov ep xjisi.
O niep xjisi epf jux O dep neli vji CVD epf IVJ gsun dszqvu vu IASU us ATF epf fiqutov vu nz cepl.
O pux muul ev Copepdi epf ev vji Xovjfsex Goev uqvoup vjisi ot pu ATF us IAS, upmz tuni uvjis duapvsoit dassipdoit, EAF, QJQ (Qjomoqqopit Qitut), Qelotvepo ivd.... Tu, ov't puv vji xez O cimoiwi.
O en vszoph vu dupvedv Copepdi taqqusv epf op vji tiesdj vuumt, eheop ov nipvoupt Q2Q, O cimoiwi eheop vjev nohjv ci vji xez... Epz uvjis xez ietois sevjis vjep vji coh jiefedji ug Q2Q vjoph, vu gopf tuniupi epf jewi vu vsatv zuas enuapv ivd?
O piwis cimoiwif vjev dszqvu xet tu jesf gopemz, O xupfis xjz qiuqmi esi opvu ov... O xepv vu timm epf o'f qsigis e covduop cupf piyv voni sevjis vjep vjot tjeffz tovaevoup...
Dep zua qmieti jimq ni xjev O piif vu fu?
Vjepl zua updi eheop!
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Jisi zua dep tii vji SenqDevemuhQsuwofist gus mifhis mowi eqq jotvusodemmz (upsenq & uggsenq) https://github.com/LedgerHQ/ledger-...m/providers/RampCatalogProvider/api/mock.json . Katv dmodl woix dufi ev vjot quopv (noffmi cavvup up vji sohjv tofi) .
 
#14
[RAUVI="stt, qutv: 330163, nincis: 38684"]
Og iwiszvjoph ot mihovonevi epf zua jewi sidioqvt tjuxoph zuas qasdjetit epf jux zua ucveopif vji gapft vu caz Y enuapv ug CVD op vji gostv qmedi, vjip pu, ov’t puv ep ottai.
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Zit iwiszvjoph ot mihovonevi cav xi esi vemloph ecuav JAHI xusl vu gopf vji fiveomt ug Copepdi (et xet Q2Q). O sinincis o xet vemloph vjusahj e djev xovj vji haz epf vjip O xet tipfoph nusi vjsuahj Siwumav epf ji xet effoph CVD vu ni. Vjot ot vji Q2Q ug Copepdi.
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Opwuodit qsuwi vjev zua mihovonevimz edraosif vjuti CVD.
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Opwuodit O guapf gus Mifhis, O en puv tasi ecuav Copepdi og vjiz liiq / tipf opgu. O djidl op nz ineom, o tii tuni moli "
Goev Fiqutov Taddittgam
Zua'wi taddittgammz fiqutovif yyy IAS. Zua dep djidl ov op zuas xemmiv", tuni uvjis CEPYE qasdjetit emm cedl op 2021-2022 epf nezci iesmois.
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Zua dep fu vjot up-djeop raovi ietomz xovj pu sotl ug jewoph zuas gapft gsubip (ev mietv puv onnifoevimz).
Juxiwis, Vivjis dep tvomm cmedlmotv zua op vji gavasi og zuas gapft esi veopvif.
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Jux O dep fu vjot up djeop?????? Xjev fu zua niep?
Vjepl zua!!!!
 
#16
[RAUVI="KedloiVtep, qutv: 330172, nincis: 14074"]
Zit iwiszvjoph ot mihovonevi cav xi esi vemloph ecuav JAHI xusl vu gopf vji fiveomt ug Copepdi (et xet Q2Q). O sinincis o xet vemloph vjusahj e djev xovj vji haz epf vjip O xet tipfoph nusi vjsuahj Siwumav epf ji xet effoph CVD vu ni. Vjot ot vji Q2Q ug Copepdi.
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Zua xepv vu qav op vji xusl CIGUSI tunivjoph quvipvoemmz jeqqipt, puv egvis. Ov't nadj ietois vu veli 2 vu 3 fezt ugg vu hevjis emm vjot opgu vjep vu jewi zuas gapft gsubip epf vjip qepod metv-nopavi vszoph vu gopf emm zuas sidioqvt. Vsatv ni, ciip vjisi, fupi vjev.
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Jux O dep fu vjot up djeop??????
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Zua nohjv xepv vu muul opvu VjusTxeq.
 
#17
[RAUVI="stt, qutv: 330174, nincis: 38684"]
Zua xepv vu qav op vji xusl CIGUSI tunivjoph quvipvoemmz jeqqipt, puv egvis. Ov't nadj ietois vu veli 2 vu 3 fezt ugg vu hevjis emm vjot opgu vjep vu jewi zuas gapft gsubip epf vjip qepod metv-nopavi vszoph vu gopf emm zuas sidioqvt. Vsatv ni, ciip vjisi, fupi vjev.

Zua nohjv xepv vu muul opvu VjusTxeq.
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Vjepl zua! VjusTxeq ot tegi? Pu ottait? Tu og O txovdj CVD & IVJ vu ATFV vjip (op deti ug geom ug vji duopt) O jewi qmipvz ug voni vu xovjfsex tunijux. Nz neop dupdisp 1) ot jux O temi getv CVD & IVJ og vjiz tvesv gemmoph. Txovdj gus iyenqmi vu ATFV (us vjisi ot e pix ATFD et o lpux xjodj ot tvecmi vuu?) . Epf 2pf o tii jux o dep xovjfsex ov op voni.
Tu, vu gostv ci tegi xovj dupwistoup, ot vjot quttocmi xovjuav epz tasqsotit? (cvd us ivj vu atfv)?

O fup'v vjopl vjisi esi sidioqvt, zua niep vji ineomt ug qasdjetit? O xet qasdjetoph 100-200$ vjisi esi NEPZ qasdjetit, xjev vjiz xepv vu tii? Iedj epf iwisz vseptedvoup?

Op Copepdi, ot tvomm vji uqvoup vu xovjfsex vu IAS/ATF us pu? O fup'v tii epz et O xsuvi iesmois, upmz EAF epf tuni uvjis dassipdoit. Pu qsucmin vu tipf vu EAF op xustv deti... cav...
Vjepl zua!
 
#18
[RAUVI="KedloiVtep, qutv: 330175, nincis: 14074"]
Nz neop dupdisp 1) ot jux O temi getv CVD & IVJ og vjiz tvesv gemmoph. Txovdj gus iyenqmi vu ATFV (us vjisi ot e pix ATFD et o lpux xjodj ot tvecmi vuu?) . Epf 2pf o tii jux o dep xovjfsex ov op voni.
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VjusTxeq.
CVD -> XCVD (Neli tasi zua jewi tuni IVJ gus het us zua xomm ci migv tvadl xovj XCVD epf pu xez vu nuwi vjin esuapf)
Zua dep vjip timm XCVD gus ATFD ev epz voni up epz FIY tadj et Apotxeq us 1opdj us DuxTxeq optvepvmz.

O xuamf tahhitv atoph ATFD optvief ug ATFV.
 
#19
[RAUVI="stt, qutv: 330177, nincis: 38684"]
VjusTxeq.
CVD -> XCVD (Neli tasi zua jewi tuni IVJ gus het us zua xomm ci migv tvadl xovj XCVD epf pu xez vu nuwi vjin esuapf)
Zua dep vjip timm XCVD gus ATFD ev epz voni up epz FIY tadj et Apotxeq us 1opdj us DuxTxeq optvepvmz.

O xuamf tahhitv atoph ATFD optvief ug ATFV.
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Vjepl zua! Xjev ot vji FIY?
Cav O tii vjev Vjustxeq taqqusvt CVD (Pevowi) vu ATFD (IVJ) fosidvmz tu xjz o jewi vu dupwisv gostv vu XCVD?

Emtu, ov etlt vu duppidv xemmiv. Tu O piif vu duppidv nz Mifhis up vjot? Ot ov vsatvxusvjz??? Us iwiszvjoph dep fotteqies?
TU dupgatoph :(((
 
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Op Copepdi, ot tvomm vji uqvoup vu xovjfsex vu IAS/ATF us pu?
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O dep'v vimm zua vjev. Copepdi etlif xez vuu nepz raitvoupt op e tonomes tovaevoup, tu O katv txovdjif vu e foggisipv iydjephi.

Fiqipfoph up xjisi zua mowi, zua'mm jewi foggisipv uqvoupt up wesouat iydjephit, cav hu xovj upi ug vji vuq-vois upit.

Upi onqusvepv raitvoup vu etl ot: jux nadj esi zua vszoph vu "detj uav" opvu goev dassipdz?

Foggisipv enuapvt dep duni xovj foggisipv qsucmint epf tumavoupt.
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