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Question on recent Belize incorporation

cheektocheek

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I incorporated a Belize company through a guy who acts as a reseller speaking of who I can no longer find him. Not only that I have also lost my apostilled copy which I sent to Cyprus


to the address he gave me but since he dissapeared I consider my apostilled set gone. Can I get one more apostilled set if yes from where? I don't have contact details of the Belize company that deals with these things.


I was told that I need to pay my annual fee to him but since I can't find him to who I pay my fee when time is due?


In addition who determines how much the fee is?


Would appreciate any help on this. Thanks
 
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I feel sorry for you, I have been through a similar issue with a company I found on google, they simply stopped responding and today (almost 1 year later) they vanished... they left me with a bill and no corporation since I never received the promised corp. docs. that was the reason I'm here today.


In my case it wasn't able to order a new set of corporate documents even if I knew that my Agent used Apex trust Corporation to register the company.
 
May I ask why you send your documents to Cyprus and who do you send it to for which reason ?
 
Safa said:
I feel sorry for you, I have been through a similar issue with a company I found on google, they simply stopped responding and today (almost 1 year later) they vanished... they left me with a bill and no corporation since I never received the promised corp. docs. that was the reason I'm here today.
In my case it wasn't able to order a new set of corporate documents even if I knew that my Agent used Apex trust Corporation to register the company.
I have received all promised corporation documents but I had to sent my apostilled set to Cyprus for the purpose of opening a bank account. Now that my reseller dissapeared I have no way of knowing whether my bank account openning will proceed or not.


I sent everything to CClogic which is where he adviced me to send everything so at this point am just trying to 1) confirm that they have got the letter and 2) if i dont manage to find my reseller within this month i'll hopefully have CCLOGIC send back to me my apostilled set.

Admin said:
May I ask why you send your documents to Cyprus and who do you send it to for which reason ?
I sent it to Cyprus for the opening of a corporate bank account as adviced by my reseller who I must say had been great to me up until the moment he vanished. It's been 3 weeks since I last talked to him.


I would like to keep his name anonymous at this point as maybe something bad happened to his life (I can't rule it out) so I don't want to start calling people scammers yet. He's known for many years by a pretty well known competitor of yours and I can't yet fully believe that I lost my money. Having said that everything has its limits and I can only remain patient for a short while more before I let my story known to all forums.


Admin, I have also sent an email to your sales department with details in an effort to at least locate my letter. If am going to lose my money at least i'll try to have my apostilled set back if possible.


Assuming this guy has legged it for good can I ask who do I contact in Belize in order to pay my annual fees and will they know the price set by my reseller previously?
 
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Seems you solved your problem, I just spoke with my colegue Peter, who informed me that your documents are in our office, so everything may be ok, glad we were able to help you.
 
Many thanks! At least my documents are there. As for now they are pretty much useless apart from the apostilled set inside. Am hoping to find my reseller soon and clear this up.


As per my original question,


I was told that I need to pay my annual Belize company fee to my reseller but since I can't find him to who I pay my fees when time is due?
 
Obviously there are fees for the office address, nominee director and shareholder if any of these services are attached to your company and which need to be renewed, the government fee which I'm not aware of for Belize corporations need to be paid the 31.12 at the end of each year. So the only one who knows what the renewal fee will be for your Belize IBC is the agent that incorporated the company for you.


Most often in the corporate documents you will see who is executing the incorporation and you will be free to move your company directly to this Incorporation service if that is of any benefit for you, be aware of that most often there are fees involved for such exercise.
 
Today my reseller got back to me as if nothing has happened even if i had to go through weeks of guessing whether he's still around or not.


I've always found it hard to believe that he would scam me giving his references but it was reasonable to begin having fears after weeks of dissapearance.


Anyhow hes back now so am guessing my order will go through and be completed(I hope).


Assuming everything will be alright now I would like to give my thanks to CClogic for helping me on this matter.
 
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No communication once again.


What's worrying is that one of the parties involved in my order are well known to cclogic. The first guy in the chain who cclogic doesn't know but who knows the person who has a business relation with cclogic knew that cclogic received my package and he supposedly found this from his cclogics business partner.


I have sent to my reseller around $1400 for my product and am short $200 which i haven't sent yet as am afraid i may never get what I paid for so at least i should save this last $200.


On the other hand the recent email i received from "him", the guy in the chain unknown by cclogic, says that "they"(cclogic) got my package but haven't proceeded further with my order since i haven't yet paid the full amount. I don't wish to pay this last $200 yet to someone that dissapears and has become highly unresponsive. Also am afraid of going all out, on all forums and start mentioning names as then they might ditch my order and ill end up losing it all. Having said that am not certain for how long more i'll be able to have patience.


I am stuck. My only hope is if CClogic could contact their business partner(they know who am talking about) obviously involved to some unclear extent in my order and ask him to intervene or at least reply to me which he hasn't done. He's the only person who can get hold of the first guy to whom i placed my order but who has become very slow to communicate if at all.


Why should Cclogic help me? after all they have nothing to do with my case.


I believe they should help if they care with who they have a business relation with. If your partner doesn't give a rats a*s about me, a customer, would you still want to be in a business relation with a person that chooses to conduct himself in such a way?


You are my last hope :( , help!
 
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As I know you have been in discussion with some of our staff in the company about this issue, contacting us was one step in the right direction, however, we do not have any agreement with the business partner you bought your service from, we don't even know this person or company, so now to your question "why should we help you ?"


Actually you turn a case between you and "unknown" into a CCLOGIC Ltd case, we know you are frustrated (so I would be) we also know that this may be your only option to get help, we already have tried to help you and replied quickly to all enquiries which we do hope you appreciated, we have been subject for much slandering by another competitor which was not directly but indirectly backed up by this "unknown" , now you try to gain help from us to solve the case between you and the "unknown company", even while we have not be paid at all for this! It is a very pity situation, while it isn't the first time this happened, if a reseller, resells our services again without informing us and without written approval, it is a violation of our terms, further the reseller get huge discounts on the services (while the commit to send x number of cases during a 12 months period to CCLOGIC ltd) to obtain a reseller agreement with us, it is required to deal directly with the client we don't won't to be in the middle actually to avoid such cases like this one.


We assume that the first reason for your choice to go with this "unknown company" was the difference of costs which they promoted them self with, at all days while we have been publishing articles, forum posts, press releases and information on our website we have said 1 important thing, be careful with the cheap service providers! there is a reason for why they can sell their services to a lower cost than we may be able to do.


When CCLOGIC Ltd get requests from new clients in regards to incorporate a company regardless if it is the Seychelles, Cyprus or Belize or to open a offshore bank account, we actually always ask lots of questions to figure out what the needs are and if it is legit business, that mean we already put a lot of time into something which we don't even know if we get paid for, I'm sure many of our forum readers can confirm this (which are not registered here but DO READ the forum) however, in order to spend that much time on certain new "potential" clients we will need to get paid for this at the end of the day, that brings up the fee, we know what we are doing and we know for sure, to incorporate a company or to open a bank account is not just that simple, but be sure that once we know exactly what it is one need, we deliver, sometimes with delays, but we deliver.


To go straight to the point, we will consider the situation and maybe even open the account for you but will require payment for it - we will let you know the outcome of this during the next week.
 
This isn't a CCLogic case. You are not responsible at all for this mess. Also you do know one of the two parties involved in my order hence am contacting you just in case you can help.


My aim is 1) report this to you so that you can update your term agreements and prevent this problem from happening to others and 2) to use you as a bridge in order to get in touch with your business partner since I get no replies from him. I assume he would reply to you since you work together. I today sent him another message asking him what's going on with my order.


I certainly don't wish to trouble and waste your time.


The fact that you are replying to me and you spend time to write to me says a lot. You will definetely and exclusively have my business in the future regardless of how this pans out.


I would only ask from you to contact your business partner(you know who I mean) and ask him to contact me. He's the only guy who knows my reseller for years and therefore he can get in touch with him and find out why the hell he has become non-responsive.


Moreover to some extent your business partner is also involved with my order. He incorporated my company after all!


I don't wish to use up your valuable time. If you would just email him and ask him to contact me that would be enough for me.


If even that proves fruitless then I will never contact you again for this matter(pointless) but I will however consider myself scammed and I hope you would stop working with this sort of people who can dissapear for weeks and all they would say to their customers waiting with oustanding orders is "sorry i was on holidays" or "how dare you thought am a scammer". You know as much as I do how unprofessional this business practise is.


I just want to get what I paid for :(

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To go straight to the point, we will consider the situation and maybe even open the account for you but will require payment for it - we will let you know the outcome of this during the next week.
Do you know exactly what my order is for?
 
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Thank you for your reply, Point taken, we will do whatever it is required to stop this from happening again, during the next week we will take action.


In regards to your order, no we don't know your order, but we do know that you need a corporate bank account, this is actually the one we are discussing internally on how we may be of help with and what we may charge for it taking your frustrating situation in consideration.
 
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Thank you for your reply, Point taken, we will do whatever it is required to stop this from happening again, during the next week we will take action.
In regards to your order, no we don't know your order, but we do know that you need a corporate bank account, this is actually the one we are discussing internally on how we may be of help with and what we may charge for it taking your frustrating situation in consideration.
Are you the company who would have carried out my order anyway? If not I don't think you can provide to me what I ordered. Even if you can i would need to pay another $1400 for this corporate account which i can't afford at this point of time.
 
No, we are not the company, but I assume this is all about a corporate bank account for your Belize company, the part with the bank account is what we were have done.. however, please discuss this with the person you already have contact with in our company.
 
Forget about it and find a offshore agent who will incorporate your company, I was damn fraudet by a well known offshore company specialist as well they never delivered, I simply wrote off the loss and went over to some other agent that was before I found this forum...