How & Why the EU Can Confiscate Your Wealth If You Can’t Explain It

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(that is if we are to imagine that KYC/source of wealth checks/laws will become so strict in the next 10 years that alsmost everybody can say goodbye to banking access if he is a foreign business owner living abroad)
Let's hope it doesn't get that bad, but you never know!
 
Low hanging fruit will be picked first. The average citizen IS the target. Not the ones that have the funds to hire a lawyer (for the time being).
or those who are well-armed and "know thy enemy". No lazy unproductive dastardly public servant is looking for a fight. They are looking for easy victims, aka low-hanging fruit.
 
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or those who are well-armed and "know thy enemy". No lazy unproductive dastardly public servant is looking for a fight. They are looking for easy victims, aka low-hanging fruit.
For someone living such a pitiful existence, wouldn't it be entertaining to bring down somebody else who lives a "too good life?" Aka crabs in the bucket mindset, some would say even human nature.
 
For someone living such a pitiful existence, wouldn't it be entertaining to bring down somebody else who lives a "too good life?" Aka crabs in the bucket mindset, some would say even human nature.
In theory, in their fantasy: YES! In practice, "H3LL NO".
Ponder on this...in my fantasy, knocking out Mike Tyson would be amazing, but in reality, his defense is impregnable and I am going to miss and his counter punch is going to be devastating for me and a lot of (miracle) work for my oral surgeon and brain surgeon
 
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It's not a legal requirement to have a passport to open a bank FYI, and as it stands, it's also not a requirement to provide the bank your place of birth.

In addition in the future there won't be banks, not like today, it will one way or the other be a decentralised network of wallets, or a centralised state owned allocated wallet.
 
Interesting. Is this one of those caveats?

It is a requirement for a bank to do a KYC check when onboarding a new client.

How will they do that when there are no id papers?
 
Interesting. Is this one of those caveats?

It is a requirement for a bank to do a KYC check when onboarding a new client.

How will they do that when there are no id papers?

Interesting. Is this one of those caveats?

It is a requirement for a bank to do a KYC check when onboarding a new client.

How will they do that when there are no id papers?
Banks have to do a KyC as standard - but that doesn’t necessary mean they need a passport.

You can open accounts with proof of identity and proof of address.

Proof of identity can be a driving license, a birth certificate etc all based on where you are opening it etc.

I.e my driving license (Asia/UK) doesn’t have my location (city etc) of birth just year and country.

Now if you are a Mohammad and sorts that means there’s x million Mos born in x country over x years and x number of Mos born in one day of the month of the year.

As long as location isnt enforced or NI or similar then there’s no match (for Americans that’s social security numbers - they are fucked) for UK it’s our National Insurance numbers and that isn’t something required outside of the UK and I’ve never been asked in the UK before leaving so the match is Name, DOB and Address, address only works if you are a voter (registered) so its name DOB and unmatched address if not registered voter supplemented by proof of address from another record type (phone, contracts, rent, etc)
 
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It's very unsettling to read in this thread, and had I not been on OCT for so long, I would say, ah, just another doomsday prophecy from screen junkies who have no idea what they're talking about. But unfortunately, some users here on the forum have been right a little too often about what they wrote a few years back.

The uncertainty about who is right and whose prediction will come true has diminished, and one should probably take precautions.

The question is, what do all of you plan to do about it and how will you protect yourselves against what is going to happen?
 
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Proof of identity can be a driving license, a birth certificate etc all based on where you are opening it etc.

I.e my driving license (Asia/UK) doesn’t have my location (city etc) of birth just year and country.

In many European countries you can forget to open an account with (just) your drivers license. It has to be a passport or an ID card. In some occasions a secondary form of ID is even requested and this is where your drivers license has a role. Some cases being for instance when you have a generic name which hits in a watchlist database based on name and birthdate.

In theory your explanation works. Practically I have my doubts.
 
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100% correct in your observation.

My strategy is to apply inverse thinking and doomsday preparation. Will it happen? I hope not but I sleep better at night knowing I am prepared for doomsday.
Kind of like falling asleep in a car as a passenger with my seatbelt on and in front of a working airbag. I really hope nothing happens but if it does, my odds of survival are a bit better.
 
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Sure some things may have changed.

You are already in well enough standard preparation to live off the bitcoin standard i'd imagine, especially if you reside in South America, Africa, not so much Asia mind.
 
In Italy to open a bank account (and to do every other thing, including having a simple cell phone line) you need both identity card AND codice fiscale (tax code). I don’t know in other countries in the EURSS but I guess it is not so different.
 
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In Italy to open a bank account (and to do every other thing, including having a simple cell phone line) you need both identity card AND codice fiscale (tax code). I don’t know in other countries in the EURSS but I guess it is not so different.
Kind of crazy when you consider it just for a cell phone, i remember the days you could just buy a sim and top up.
 
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What’s is strange, is that in the US you can buy a sim in cash w/o docs. There you see that terrorism is a fiction created to establish a strongest control.
100% this! It's here on OCT I found a provider who offers real cel #s and I was even able to get it with my "nickname" ...and it works overseas with NO roaming charges (Vo WiFi calling) and it's like <$9/month
 
100% this! It's here on OCT I found a provider who offers real cel #s and I was even able to get it with my "nickname" ...and it works overseas with NO roaming charges (Vo WiFi calling) and it's like <$9/month
I imagine then the data (calls) are feeding into the NSA.

To put into perspective, I previously worked for a blue chip company in the infrastructure sector, there's a building in London, where all data flows through (i know where) and as part of that, all Voice, SMS (then), Data, Visual (TV) has a lag from 'live' to end user as it goes through a huge filtering process for tagging and compiling under anti-terrorism .

So when it comes to 'these sorts of sims' etc i imagine the data collection will be vast.

To overcome this you route coms via channels where security is baked in by law or by technology.
 
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Probably! I just use it for 2FA for US banks and other US FI

The other # I have had since the 80s is still operational but rarely used, mostly for inter-university messaging with other former college buddies.
 
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