Can you find justice in a courtroom?

JohnnyDoe said:

It’s a reminder that law doesn’t equal to justice.

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The first person who told me this was my tax auditor if the administration in my home village. Wise words I remembered.

Not in my experience.

So true, i missed this thread.
I have experience in EU courtrooms and also have seen and heard from friends.

I've been almost scammed by multiple lawyers too. Ultimately they're sharks... if you find a good one do not even think of trying another one...

I've seen judges not giving a f* about reading the papers attached and just spewing random sentences, and then you'll have to pay your lawyer to have them fixed when it's possible, or must appeal and it'll take many years of lawyers fees... just to have a piece of paper of a (supposedly smarter) second judge telling the first one that he was dumb as f* (cause when you win the appeal that's what's literally written in the sentence...)

once you get to that point, you start questioning many things... how is it possible that two judges say two opposite things on the same matter, and the second one pretty much told the first one he was dumb as a brick?
so there are many judges that don't even know what they are talking about, and yet they can ruin the life of people like that?

ultimately I always won, sometimes in full, sometimes sadly partially and lost money (and everyone knew I was 100% right).
Other times the judge will not accept your proofs as enough. Things must be proved on paper on a certain way. You do, but then there are procedural issues and it's impossible to prove facts that way after many years, they would want a 30yo piece of paper signed by a dead man from past and they don't care if you take there the whole country to testify for you.

Also I've seen courts literally lose important papers ending the whole ruling, or turning it completely against you...

But seriously I think it was not worth living like that for decades, defending yourself for what everyone knew it was true, and just seeing lawyers and judges ignore reality and go fighting over a comma of a 100 years old law, and writing pages and pages around that comma... depending on which side you look at it, and that comma is what's going to effect the final rule.
Nobody will care about your story ultimately, and they will fight for that comma. They really lose the contact with reality.
I've read 100's pages of sentences and it is clear that at a point not even the judge knew what to do and called it a day...

my lawyer told me: never believe the truth that will get out of courtroom is the real one...
you know you are innocent, you enter the courtroom door as innocent/victim. But once there that doesn't matter anymore. Anything could happen. A small formal mistake and you're putting your whole life/family/money on the plate.
I took it as a joke as I was naive. I thought he wanted to scare me just to have more money...
I was still "virgin" and blindly trusted the "system".
I paid taxes being sure that the police would come in seconds to my house if i needed it, they would die to save my family if I had a need. Tried this, didn't work that way.
I thought doctors would save my life for free and not doing it for the money. Tried this, didn't work that way.
I thought the public employees were working for me... and corruption was nonexistent. Tried this, didn't work that way.
I thought every policeman was honest, that public servants were hard workers as much as the private sector ones... Tried this, didn't work that way.

then you really start experiencing it...
Boy, was I wrong!

always remember the only person you can rely on is yourself, so technically we are all alone...

JohnnyDoe said:

Unless your father can revert a sentence in 3 days, don’t count on the system to save you.

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most often you're right, but what was the advise you told the other members, you knew the game, get over it, not worth to do anything, even the thread is not worth it!

Been involved in

3 Criminal Cases (Thailand)
3 Civil Cases (Australia, UK, Canada)

- Criminal cases were pretty fair to be honest as they were done based on Black or White, 3 judge panel and prosecution team (non Jury)
- UK and Canada Civil cases costs more than the actual end result, the Australian case cost 500,000$ (AUD) for a return of 50,000$ (AUD)

So even if you win you loose.

wellington said:

- UK and Canada Civil cases costs more than the actual end result, the Australian case cost 500,000$ (AUD) for a return of 50,000$ (AUD)

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I always wonder who starts such bs and with what motivation. But maybe, they did not care about the money buy their honour.

I only ever experienced a single lawsuit, which was with the tax agency in one country and I won it, although mainly due to their administrative failures.

So I would agree with previous posters and say that in general, no. I am not so focused on ideological factors but would consider myself close to an anarcho-capitalist stance in most areas, like here that the best way of resolving is direct or via private arbitration

Macy said:

I only ever experienced a single lawsuit, which was with the tax agency in one country and I won it, although mainly due to their administrative failures.

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Then I hope I’ll be just as lucky as you in my case, where the tax authority has done nothing but fabricate claims without any legal basis, and none of them are true.