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there are no elections in ukraine as zelensky denied it under military control as majority of ukrainian citizens would vote him out.
its people like spectre who justify the nonsense.
People like him should be on the front themself instead allowing them to be keyboard warriors.
Now 400k more ukrainian died and i bet it gets even worse as kolomoyski is executing a plan which is not for ukrainians.
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daniels27 said:
Yes, but which one are you?
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At least, as an Air Force officer in the reserves, I'm waiting for my F16/Mirage/Gripen, which, given the effectiveness of the "partners", will most likely never appear.
And I don't want to change my specialization to infantry to satisfy someone's perverted desires about how and who should fight.
 
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John Spectre said:
At least, as an Air Force officer in the reserves, I'm waiting for my F16/Mirage/Gripen, which, given the effectiveness of the "partners", will most likely never appear.
And I don't want to change my specialization to infantry to satisfy someone's perverted desires about how and who should fight.
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Ok, that sounds quite cool though. Respect. Have you flewn those jets before?
 
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daniels27 said:
Ok, that sounds quite cool though. Respect. Have you flewn those jets before?
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I'm a from maintenance squad, not a pilot.
never flew them.
given the current number of aircraft being delivered/teams trained, there is a waiting list for them among active duty officers/soldiers.
reservists are far behind in queue for these positions.
 
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John Spectre said:
I'm a from maintenance squad, not a pilot.
never flew them.
given the current number of aircraft being delivered/teams trained, there is a waiting list for them among active duty officers/soldiers.
reservists are far behind in queue for these positions.
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You can leave and enter Ukraine as you want or are you also banned from leaving like @void?
 
#48
Thank you. I appreciate your honesty. Let's see what comes next in the show. If you ever have contacts to the administration, please let me know. I would like to see if they are as bad as others claim here.
 
#49
John Spectre said:
as a general rule, any man liable for military service cannot leave Ukraine unless he has grounds for permission (health, family characteristics, permanent residence outside the country, etc.). I have grounds for leaving Ukraine.
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There’s an active market for such permits.
 
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John Spectre said:
At least, as an Air Force officer in the reserves, I'm waiting for my F16/Mirage/Gripen, which, given the effectiveness of the "partners", will most likely never appear.
And I don't want to change my specialization to infantry to satisfy someone's perverted desires about how and who should fight.
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Syrskyi issued an order in January to transfer over 5,000 Air Force personnel to Ground Forces units....
 
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How do his fans justify this?
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Many Ukranians don't like or openly hate him. His naive and aggressive manners and lack of political finesse made him not fit for office in my personal opinion. He was a choice of desperation and failed to deliver his promises as did all Ukrainian politicians before him.

That doesn't undermine that he was elected by the people in an open and fair election and he's had a massive support from the majority of the population. Actually the recent Trump shitshow just reinvigorated this support and I am pretty sure he would be re-elected if the vote could be held during the war (it can not according to UA constitution).

I also hold a great amount of respect to his decision to stay put at the beginning of the war when everyone and their mother offered him to escape. Again, that doesn't change my view of him as a terrible negotiator and bad politician to represent his country globally.
 
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for me its all just show.
One older US secret agency data showed some years ago when it was still public as it was genraly unknown to the public that ukraine will be in the end of the war a banana state with a ppp of under $5000 .This would mean big buy out opportunity before the 1 billion EUR flood from the EU.
Which means the war can't end here to reach that target.
Based on other data of this agency which already passed they had/have a very accurate prediction rate (if this is really prediction)

Someone like Spectre needs to explain to me how this goal is going to benefit the average ukrainian citizens.
 
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polonieth said:
You mean like the New European Security framework that was presented in December 2021 but rejected by the West?

Or the Istanbul peace agreement that was basically signed untill Boris Johnson flew in?

Both of which had basically no territorial concessions. They had so many chances to avoid this. Crazy.
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I thought the New European Security framework was basically that all US forces + equipment leave former USSR states + NATO rolls back to 1991. Which is an obvious non-starter as all the states affected would see it as a prelude to being annexed. Or at the very least they'd be forced to factor Russian tanks into their domestic politics. (Whether that's true or not.) I might be deceived by Western media, who knows?

I do like Gomrbashov's conception of a Common European Home. I know a lot Russians fault him, but I think he was right to say that if you put a line through Europe it matters little if it's 200km to the East or to the West, it will still be a problem.

The Istanbul Agreement in what little came out through the Isreali ex-PM & Zelenskyy's Weird PR Dude seemed totally fine to me. Why would Ukraine want the Separatist area back? Or to be NATO member? Given that they'd be several billion Euros worth of tanks and planes parked in Poland with "Break in case of Ukraine invasion" written on them. Bucha was a crime, but it wasn't a policy on Russia's part. It should not have derailed a peace. And Boris Johnson is intelligent fool. Why would anyone listen to him ? In any case Ukraine's economy is crippled if it can't maintain soft borders and trade links to both East and West.

I honestly think Russians and Ukrainians (maybe the Balts) are the only people who took NATO seriously after the war. The US more or less abandoned working through it after Yugoslavia. Scandinavia didn't join because they didn't want to be sucked into US adventures. Czech Republic had to be made to "vote again" because it was so unpopular. Most of my adult life it's been a dead talking shop.
 
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