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Majority for chat control possible – Users who refuse scanning to be prevented from sharing photos and links

Lovely society - prohibiting or restricting non-custodial wallets and cash, pre-scanning of communication content, mandatory de-anonymization. Even for idiots, this should be red light :rolleyes:

Wealth creation and money moving is restricted because some people used financial system to fund terrorism and OCG is laundering money.

Secure communication - via encryption - is rendered transparent due to the concerns of child sexual exploitation.

The authorities are playing on general public fears from artificaly inflated threats - they exist, but can be controlled without this level of human rights erosion.
 
It is a fantastic idea to scan all chat communications when the justification is child pornography, as it is clear to me that there is a need for this.

Unfortunately, I also know that such very strong justifications, which cannot and should not be argued against, are then used as an opportunity to scan chat communications for all sorts of other things. Once the law is passed and the systems are reprogrammed for it, no one will notice that the EU is now scanning for all sorts of other things.

But on the other hand, it is no secret that the NSA and various other authorities are already scanning all communication on the internet today, so what is the difference?
 
It is a fantastic idea to scan all chat communications when the justification is child pornography, as it is clear to me that there is a need for this.

Unfortunately, I also know that such very strong justifications, which cannot and should not be argued against, are then used as an opportunity to scan chat communications for all sorts of other things. Once the law is passed and the systems are reprogrammed for it, no one will notice that the EU is now scanning for all sorts of other things.

But on the other hand, it is no secret that the NSA and various other authorities are already scanning all communication on the internet today, so what is the difference?
Scanning all chat communications to prevent child pornography sounds really great right? But the reality is far more complex and troubling, which is why it's an amazing cover for the EUSSR to extend their surveillance apparatus. Don't get me wrong, preventing child abuse is a must, but AI scanners are predicted to yield many false positives. Given that most communications are harmless, the system is likely to flag a lot of innocent content. These false alarms will lead to numerous unwarranted investigations. Past scandals, like the Dutch child benefits fiasco, show how destructive false accusations can be. Constant surveillance of personal messages is invasive, and the feeling of being watched will wipe any sense of freedom. Moreover, these scanners are prime targets for hackers, with a high risk of data breaches exposing personal information to potential misuse.

Agencies like the NSA and CIA already scan communications for national security, but their scope is vastly different from local police forces. Intelligence agencies focus on broad, strategic surveillance to preempt threats, while local law enforcement would use this data for direct investigations, which can be far more invasive and immediate in their impact. False reports will flood law enforcement agencies, making it harder for them to focus on real threats. This not only wastes resources but also diminishes overall effectiveness. Plus, the storage and management of flagged data by agencies with poor track records for security, like the EU, are concerning. Leaks and breaches are almost inevitable. The NSA had problems with their own people abusing their tools, imagine what will happen if you put some Europeans up to administering the systems.

Scanning all chat communications under the guise of preventing child abuse is a slippery slope. Once this door is open, there’s no telling what else will be monitored. The proposed regulations are a blatant overreach, giving authorities unprecedented access to private lives. The risk of unjust investigations, data leaks, and the erosion of privacy outweighs the benefits. This move is less about protecting children and more about expanding surveillance powers. The EU’s track record with data security is shaky at best. Implementing these scanners will only make our devices more vulnerable to hacks. Additionally, let’s be honest about the sentences given to child abusers or those in possession of child abuse material, they are not severe enough to serve as a real deterrent. What is the point of detection if there is no enhanced response to the problem? This proposal is a disproportionate, invasive measure that risks far more harm than it prevents.

Rules for thee, but not for me:

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Some other sources to check regarding chat control and the trustworthiness of 'the Party':

1. Chat Control: The EU's CSEM scanner proposal
2. The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies
3. https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...-pfizer-chief-vaccine-deal-letter-2022-06-29/
4. Eva Kaili: EU-Parlament hebt Immunität der ehemaligen Vizepräsidentin auf
5. EU Parliament staff in uproar over breach of ID cards, personal records
6. Data breach: Hardcopy personnel files disappeared from Europol office in The Hague
7. LET'S STOP THE CHAT CONTROL TOGETHER

You could dedicate tons of FTE to dig up dirt on 'the Party', but I can guarantee you that there will always be more dirt to uncover. I think OCT has some talented members, so in the worst case we can all chip in and test the limits of their system. ;)
 
Scanning all chat communications to prevent child pornography sounds really great right? But the reality is far more complex and troubling, which is why it's an amazing cover for the EUSSR to extend their surveillance apparatus. Don't get me wrong, preventing child abuse is a must, but AI scanners are predicted to yield many false positives. Given that most communications are harmless, the system is likely to flag a lot of innocent content. These false alarms will lead to numerous unwarranted investigations. Past scandals, like the Dutch child benefits fiasco, show how destructive false accusations can be. Constant surveillance of personal messages is invasive, and the feeling of being watched will wipe any sense of freedom. Moreover, these scanners are prime targets for hackers, with a high risk of data breaches exposing personal information to potential misuse.

Agencies like the NSA and CIA already scan communications for national security, but their scope is vastly different from local police forces. Intelligence agencies focus on broad, strategic surveillance to preempt threats, while local law enforcement would use this data for direct investigations, which can be far more invasive and immediate in their impact. False reports will flood law enforcement agencies, making it harder for them to focus on real threats. This not only wastes resources but also diminishes overall effectiveness. Plus, the storage and management of flagged data by agencies with poor track records for security, like the EU, are concerning. Leaks and breaches are almost inevitable. The NSA had problems with their own people abusing their tools, imagine what will happen if you put some Europeans up to administering the systems.

Scanning all chat communications under the guise of preventing child abuse is a slippery slope. Once this door is open, there’s no telling what else will be monitored. The proposed regulations are a blatant overreach, giving authorities unprecedented access to private lives. The risk of unjust investigations, data leaks, and the erosion of privacy outweighs the benefits. This move is less about protecting children and more about expanding surveillance powers. The EU’s track record with data security is shaky at best. Implementing these scanners will only make our devices more vulnerable to hacks. Additionally, let’s be honest about the sentences given to child abusers or those in possession of child abuse material, they are not severe enough to serve as a real deterrent. What is the point of detection if there is no enhanced response to the problem? This proposal is a disproportionate, invasive measure that risks far more harm than it prevents.

Rules for thee, but not for me:

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Some other sources to check regarding chat control and the trustworthiness of 'the Party':

1. Chat Control: The EU's CSEM scanner proposal
2. The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies
3. https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...-pfizer-chief-vaccine-deal-letter-2022-06-29/
4. Eva Kaili: EU-Parlament hebt Immunität der ehemaligen Vizepräsidentin auf
5. EU Parliament staff in uproar over breach of ID cards, personal records
6. Data breach: Hardcopy personnel files disappeared from Europol office in The Hague
7. LET'S STOP THE CHAT CONTROL TOGETHER

You could dedicate tons of FTE to dig up dirt on 'the Party', but I can guarantee you that there will always be more dirt to uncover. I think OCT has some talented members, so in the worst case we can all chip in and test the limits of their system. ;)

The government solely exists for two purposes

1. To govern with people
2. To govern with itself

The latter is funded with a former. Creative ideas there.

Modern criminology is perfectly capable to pro-actively identify potential perpetrators and criminal judicial system to exert sentences as a means of special and general prevention.

Hence, derogation of anonymity and privacy with mandatory persistent identity and transparency is now coupled with derogation of security for reasons other then to prevent terrorism and sexual delinquency.

What it could be, I ask myself?

Perhaps there are some utterly crazy elders that are composing horror world. All these convergent ruses can't be explained only by technological achievements and terrorist threats. Once a person is biometrically identified and registered other data sets are fairly easy to acquire, including location.

Quite scary dawn.
 
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How do they enforce it? You need a China level control and obedience. And even in China big % of people use banned messengers with VPN. And in this case, how do they classify me as EU user? By phone number? IP address? How do they enforce it? Via individual messengers?
Yes we know CIA/NSA/Microsoft/Google already scan our messages, but they don't bother me at least for the moment, because they know the moment they do, me and a bunch of other nerds will switch to Linux and XMPP. BTW I've read some Snowden leaked power point file and there it was saying that NSA can't intercept Linux/XMPP communications.
But If this goes on the level of EU police, where retards lick other retards' asses, this can become problematic. My friend got dragged to police for identification because he was visiting some porn sites at that time and some girl got harassed near his place. This was not in EU but shows the level of problems that can arise
 
How do they enforce it? You need a China level control and obedience. And even in China big % of people use banned messengers with VPN. And in this case, how do they classify me as EU user? By phone number? IP address? How do they enforce it? Via individual messengers?
Yes we know CIA/NSA/Microsoft/Google already scan our messages, but they don't bother me at least for the moment, because they know the moment they do, me and a bunch of other nerds will switch to Linux and XMPP. BTW I've read some Snowden leaked power point file and there it was saying that NSA can't intercept Linux/XMPP communications.
But If this goes on the level of EU police, where retards lick other retards' asses, this can become problematic. My friend got dragged to police for identification because he was visiting some porn sites at that time and some girl got harassed near his place. This was not in EU but shows the level of problems that can arise

Enforcement shall be done on vendor's side as the content scanning would be performed on application side - that is, on end user device.

Yes, the end user will be classified as an EU one by any EU attribute.

Content scanning will probably be formally disabled in applications where there is no EU attributes.

EU end user's will have their own devices as compliance and police officers.

Why are people accepting this 1984 life?
 
People will just switch to Telegram and if Telegram bends forward, Android + Telegram apk. Currently many channels are banned on Apple/Google play versions of Telegram but you can get them if you install apk directly.
 
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Scanning all chat communications to prevent child pornography sounds really great right? But the reality is far more complex and troubling, which is why it's an amazing cover for the EUSSR to extend their surveillance apparatus. Don't get me wrong, preventing child abuse is a must, but AI scanners are predicted to yield many false positives. Given that most communications are harmless, the system is likely to flag a lot of innocent content. These false alarms will lead to numerous unwarranted investigations. Past scandals, like the Dutch child benefits fiasco, show how destructive false accusations can be. Constant surveillance of personal messages is invasive, and the feeling of being watched will wipe any sense of freedom. Moreover, these scanners are prime targets for hackers, with a high risk of data breaches exposing personal information to potential misuse.

Agencies like the NSA and CIA already scan communications for national security, but their scope is vastly different from local police forces. Intelligence agencies focus on broad, strategic surveillance to preempt threats, while local law enforcement would use this data for direct investigations, which can be far more invasive and immediate in their impact. False reports will flood law enforcement agencies, making it harder for them to focus on real threats. This not only wastes resources but also diminishes overall effectiveness. Plus, the storage and management of flagged data by agencies with poor track records for security, like the EU, are concerning. Leaks and breaches are almost inevitable. The NSA had problems with their own people abusing their tools, imagine what will happen if you put some Europeans up to administering the systems.

Scanning all chat communications under the guise of preventing child abuse is a slippery slope. Once this door is open, there’s no telling what else will be monitored. The proposed regulations are a blatant overreach, giving authorities unprecedented access to private lives. The risk of unjust investigations, data leaks, and the erosion of privacy outweighs the benefits. This move is less about protecting children and more about expanding surveillance powers. The EU’s track record with data security is shaky at best. Implementing these scanners will only make our devices more vulnerable to hacks. Additionally, let’s be honest about the sentences given to child abusers or those in possession of child abuse material, they are not severe enough to serve as a real deterrent. What is the point of detection if there is no enhanced response to the problem? This proposal is a disproportionate, invasive measure that risks far more harm than it prevents.

Rules for thee, but not for me:

View attachment 6954

Some other sources to check regarding chat control and the trustworthiness of 'the Party':

1. Chat Control: The EU's CSEM scanner proposal
2. The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies
3. https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...-pfizer-chief-vaccine-deal-letter-2022-06-29/
4. Eva Kaili: EU-Parlament hebt Immunität der ehemaligen Vizepräsidentin auf
5. EU Parliament staff in uproar over breach of ID cards, personal records
6. Data breach: Hardcopy personnel files disappeared from Europol office in The Hague
7. LET'S STOP THE CHAT CONTROL TOGETHER

You could dedicate tons of FTE to dig up dirt on 'the Party', but I can guarantee you that there will always be more dirt to uncover. I think OCT has some talented members, so in the worst case we can all chip in and test the limits of their system. ;)

Bravo. I agree with all you said thu&¤#


Do you guys think it will be implemented this time?

For those that still live in the EU I hope not :confused:.
 
2nd update: It has been withdrawn from the vote BUT they won't give up... those corrupt EU politicians will try it again in July and move the Presidency Council from Brussels to Hungary.

What I think is:
July = Euro Championship gets exciting and summer travel = less EU people will be focussing on this situation
Hungary = Orbán = China admirer so he definitely supports a China-style chat control mass surveillance and will let this proposal pass completely under the radar.

https://stackdiary.com/eu-council-has-withdrawn-the-vote-on-chat-control/
 
2nd update: It has been withdrawn from the vote BUT they won't give up... those corrupt EU politicians will try it again in July and move the Presidency Council from Brussels to Hungary.

What I think is:
July = Euro Championship gets exciting and summer travel = less EU people will be focussing on this situation
Hungary = Orbán = China admirer so he definitely supports a China-style chat control mass surveillance and will let this proposal pass completely under the radar.

https://stackdiary.com/eu-council-has-withdrawn-the-vote-on-chat-control/

That draft has been withdrawn and will be negotiated between several EU institutions after the new parliament is constituted, hence it won't be voted during summer for obvious reasons.

Even though I'm concerned about the initiative, I don't anticipate that the actual digital content control - whatever the political and legal euphemism - will be instituted after the provisional solution expires by April 2026.

The known organized surveilance is at paramount levels

https://www.de-cix.net/en/about-de-...ement-from-de-cix-management-gmbh-19-may-2020
where content control and moderation isn't the only problematic idea - governments are declaring the need for mandatory (encryption) key escrow mechanisms.

Also, content control may be interpreted as censorship and self-incrimination which is against legal dispositions enshrined in (OUN) Universal declaration of human rights and (European) Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms and thru supremacy of international law, into basic laws and constitutions as well as systemic laws of Western countries.

They key and long term societal problem is an induced docile compliance due to complacency.
 
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