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Trump and Musk’s DOGE purge sees 6,700 IRS staff fired

Martin Everson

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...n-as-zelensky-feud-continues-live/ar-AA1yZWhw

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Donald Trump and Elon Musk’s purge of the federal government is continuing, with 6,700 probationary employees of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) set to be fired as tax season looms.

Speaking on Fox News on Wednesday night, Trump’s commerce secretary Howard Lutnick, confirmed by the Senate earlier this week, said the administration’s goal was ultimately to abolish the IRS entirely.


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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...n-as-zelensky-feud-continues-live/ar-AA1yZWhw

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Donald Trump and Elon Musk’s purge of the federal government is continuing, with 6,700 probationary employees of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) set to be fired as tax season looms.

Speaking on Fox News on Wednesday night, Trump’s commerce secretary Howard Lutnick, confirmed by the Senate earlier this week, said the administration’s goal was ultimately to abolish the IRS entirely.


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thats a very good goal. Worldwide, income tax should be abolished alongside other direct taxes.
Only indirect forms should be used if we want to remain slightly free.
 
Won't happen, courts will block it, doesn't matter anyway, these agents are likely part of the 87,000 agents hired last term to go after COVID relief fund fraud.
 
thats a very good goal. Worldwide, income tax should be abolished alongside other direct taxes.
Only indirect forms should be used if we want to remain slightly free.
Worldwide income taxation eliminated is not happening. Too many lawyers and cpas make money off of it. Doesn't bring anything to IRS but it's s win win situation for attorneys and CPAs. Their lobby is quite strong and many congressman are former lawyers.
 
The madness never ends.
His idea is not that bad. I was not here during his first term, but my personal recommendation back then was the same as now. It goes roughly like this:
  • forget about the duty bs as it causes nothing but troubles
  • introduce a 25% VAT (basically a duty payable on everything)
  • abolish personal income taxes (basically paying back the duties paid on the work performed inside the country)
  • consider corporate tax credits for salary expenses
  • consider exempting import VAT paid to be exempted from input VAT credits
In the end, you have something very similar to the 25% duty regime, just without issues with your international trading partners. The EU has been doing similar measures for ages.

The proposed measures are harmful to tourism and encourages residents to spend money elsewhere. Hence, I would not recommend it to a county like Switzerland. But for the US, I personally see limited problems as tourists tend to come regardless of VAT and I am pretty sure that not many will go shopping in Canada over the weekend.
 
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Worldwide, income tax should be abolished alongside other direct taxes.
I think it is a free market. Anybody is free to renounce his US citizenship and hire elsewhere. However given the amount the US spends on safety for their citizens abroads, from embassies to army bases to expatriation flights and negotiations (remember Warmbier?), I personally think that the average US citizen gets a really fair share of protection when living abroad, something which costs money and for which many are more than willing to pay for. There are many Asians eager to get US citizenship to benefit from enhanced protection in times of war.
 
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I think it is a free market. Anybody is free to renounce his US citizenship and hire elsewhere. However given the amount the US spends on safety for their residents abroads, from embassies to army bases to expatriation flights and negotiations (remember Warmbier?), I personally think that the average US citizen gets a really fair share of protection when living abroad, something which costs money and for which many are more than willing to pay for.
Sunday booze, right?
 
  • introduce a 25% VAT (basically a duty payable on everything)

So you want to see 100% or more inflation across the board for the American people if a 25% VAT is applied to everything? So an American distributor pays 25% VAT when he buys from an American manufacturer. The retailer pay 25% VAT when they buy from distributor. Then customer pays 25% VAT when they buy from retailer.

Would an American want to buy a US stock and pay 25% VAT on it....lol?

They are better of doing what I discussed years ago here which is move towards a CDBC and implement a smaller progressive transaction tax on everything. With this model they can fire all IRS start and close down the department ;).
 
So you want to see 100% or more inflation across the board for the American people if a 25% VAT is applied to everything? So an American distributor pays 25% VAT when he buys from an American manufacturer. The retailer pay 25% VAT when they buy from distributor. Then customer pays 25% VAT when they buy from retailer.
since when pay business VAT when trading with each other?
 
Sounds similar to the Fair Tax proposal

https://fairtax.org/about/how-fairtax-works

Yup economic madness.


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The IRS is No Longer Needed

No more complicated tax forms, individual audits, or intrusive federal bureaucracy. Retailers will collect the FairTax just as they do now with state sales taxes. All money will be collected and remitted to the U.S. Treasury, and both the retailers and states will be paid a fee for their collection service.

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No corporate or personal income tax in America and no IRS? Good luck collecting a single dime. Maybe they have not studied human nature closely enough.
 
I am not sure if I am understanding correctly. Or if I am being understood correctly.

What I was proposing is that instead of 25% duties, it would be possible to introduce a 25% VAT. With VAT, I mean a value added tax as in the EU or Swiss VAT of today. Not a sales / goods / turnover tax as the US knows it or Switzerland knew it until 1994. As with the all VAT, imports and sales are taxed (in the EU called VAT on Importation, Einfurumsatzsteuer, etc.).

Quick example, when A imports goods for 100 USD, he pays 25 USD VAT on importation. A then processes them (wages are paid) and resells to a customer for 200 + 50 USD VAT (remitting 50 USD to the government but getting 25 back for the import paid). In essence, 50 USD have been paid to the government, 25 of which for the import and 25 of which for the labour / profit generated while being processed at B.

Now, I further propose to ablish salary taxes / personal income taxes. Why? Because as per the above example, the guy working on the goods (B) did in fact already pay for it. That's the 25 USD that he paid on the 100 USD profit generated.

With those two measures, the net effect would be that the country basically has a 25% duty on all imports without the hassle of making other countries angry.

There are various side-effects that would have to be addressed, among others that basically no tax would be paid for work performed on export goods, residents would be incentivised to spend their money abroad instead of at home, corporate profits would have to equally be lowered as the VAT would charge, etc.

@Martin Everson @void I definitely would not recommend a finance transaction fee. I think this has been discussed in detail recently in Switzerland, while there are valid arguments for it, I think the over all effects lead to massive inefficiencies as it incentivices inefficient behaviour of market players, not to mention that it could easily be avoided.

To a@void misunderstandings, I personally would not recommend anybody to expose himself to citizenship taxation nor would I avocate any country to introduce such. But I do respect entities able to charge people due to their good marketing or any other efforts that allows them to do so in a free market. For the US, to be honest, due to FEIE the number of such taxpayers is fairly limited and in the end I would say the main question is how much tax and business the US is losing out by deterring potential tax payers with citizenship taxation.
 
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